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1 posted on 09/22/2011 3:33:59 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice
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I know. There is so much nonsense going on in the public schools. Result: dumb people that can’t compete with Asians and don’t know their own history. End result: more voters for Obama.


2 posted on 09/22/2011 3:41:13 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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Its like border and immigration, the GOP can change things but they probably won't.
3 posted on 09/22/2011 3:41:30 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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Regarding Education: When Will Republican Leaders Wake Up?

Try never. They are called "establishment Republicans" for a reason.

4 posted on 09/22/2011 3:50:29 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Go green - recycle Congress in 2012!!)
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One reason: Teachers' Unions won't allow change to be implemented.

The BIGGEST problem is that the Federal Government has no business WHATSOEVER in being overseer or dictator over a LOCAL ISSUE (schools).

5 posted on 09/22/2011 3:52:49 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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When the established "Republican and Democrats" are stripped of their position, their assets seized and they stand trial for treason.

Short of that, never.

6 posted on 09/22/2011 3:54:32 PM PDT by SERE_DOC (My Rice Krispies told me to stay home & clean my weapons!)
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The BEST thing the GOP could do to encourage people and let them know they are serious is by stating that they are going to defund and disband the Department of Education!

Why in the heck do we have a Federal DOE? Education is a local issue (that is why most school districts are “Independent”) of local governments, etc...

Get these politicians out of my kid’s school! If you are not there to actually teach reading, writing, arithmetic and science, then you are expendable! Anything beyond those subjects listed, we should make the parents pay from the dang class!


7 posted on 09/22/2011 3:55:51 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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When GOP candidates criticize public schools without offering specific reforms, they get beat up as being critics who have nothing better to offer. Moreover, in the absence of credible alternatives, the public school lobby insists that, no matter what else is said as to public education, more cash and a smaller classes are needed.

Unfortunately, the public mostly buys into that. Thus the standard GOP public school platform is standardized testing, charter schools, limited vouchers -- and more cash. The new fiscal realities may make more radical reforms possible, but such reforms will still need to be explained and promoted to the public. There is no escape from the battle of ideas.

8 posted on 09/22/2011 3:58:19 PM PDT by Rockingham
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Shut down the Dept. of Education and let the states screw up their own schools. Unfortunately, I doubt that's much of a campaign-winner. It'll take a lot of education (no pun intended) to inform Americans about the waste in that department. I suspect a lot of them still think it's necessary.

I, however, do not.

9 posted on 09/22/2011 4:14:44 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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BS!

The schools are working exactly as designed. They are prisons to coerce children into little statist trolls. Anyone who thinks schools (public, private, religious, whatever) have ever had anything to do with education has been hoodwinked. And if you think schooling was better in the good ol’ days, you are a fool. It was always evil.

Lucky kids have homeschooling and unschooling homes. This is spreading and is the only hope for our nation.

11 posted on 09/22/2011 4:33:37 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Days .... Weeks ..... Months .....)
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“Nobody knows what to think. “
Based on actually being in the classroom, here’s what I think:

1. The Federal Department of Education could disappear tomorrow, and millions of teachers would never notice, because this turd of a department essentially does nothing except absorb taxpayer dollars and craps out wads of paper that accomplish nothing. Education is a state matter, and it was done better when it was left up to the individual states to decide about.

2. NCLB was an usurpation of state power; it also caused an outbreak of cheating because it mandates an essentially unreachable goal of 100% effective schools. Only a complete idiot thinks any human enterprise can achieve 100% of anything. 80-85%, without the useless “growth model”, is about all that can be done. Hoping for ever-increasing scores until 100% is reached is a stupid proposition.

3. Teachers get hounded by administrators, educrats, politicians, and other people touting whatever snake-oil theory some PhD came up with for their doctoral thesis (supported with research that has as much validity as witchcraft) designed to increase student learning. It would be nice if these folks would just go away, because they are not helping. Nobody actually in a classroom would use whatever nostrum, because it is usually obvious that the ‘theory’ doesn’t match the reality in front of you.

4. School discipline matters. We need to return to the more stern old-fashioned (conservative) methods of disciplining students, i.e., the “Board of Education”(young students) or expulsion (high school). Nobody should be allowed to take up a teacher’s time at the expense of other students who are doing what they are supposed to.

5. My state long ago did away with public-sector unions; all other states should do the same. Teachers can be compensating fairly without bankrupting the public treasury. As long as there is are some due process procedures to prevent abuses of power (i.e. a Conservative teacher getting canned because a Commie administrator doesn’t like them)there isn’t a need for labor unions in education.

6. Conservatives need to get control of local and state governments and control public education, especially in terms of curriculum. Abominations like homo history or sex education occur because liberals get into positions of power and use it, while conservatives get there and try to ‘get along’.

7. Social promotion: this is a great evil. If a student does not pass the 6th grade because they do not do the work, then they should remain in the 6th grade, or whatever grade, until they do. And if they get to the point where they are old enough to leave school, and are not making any progress, show them the door.

8. Last one: Students should be accountable for their own success. Neither I nor any other teacher can guarantee an equal outcome, or even a good one. It is not like stamping sheet metal or some industry where the worker has 100% control over the product until it goes out of the factory door. The best that can be done, is to guarantee the chance of a good outcome.

Sorry for the long rant Bruce...its been a long week.


16 posted on 09/22/2011 5:07:52 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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