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Rasmussen: Obama 46, Perry 39
Hot Air ^ | September 16, 2011 | Allahpundit

Posted on 09/17/2011 1:31:07 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: stephenjohnbanker

Heh——not nice to say bad things about New England.


61 posted on 09/17/2011 7:11:15 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: veritas2002
The election is 14 months away.

Time for some perspective here. Being within striking distance of a sitting President over a year away from the election is a good sign. It shows an incumbent President in serious trouble. The challenger always begins as the underdog.

The 4-point increase in the margin is just as likely statistical noise as it is a trend. Even if real, it is likely to be temporary. Rick Perry had a bad week with him on the defensive. He'll rebound.

62 posted on 09/17/2011 7:19:00 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Doing the math, this only adds up to 85%. That means there are 15% who are either going to vote for another candidate, or are undecided. Most undecideds, according to the pundits, go for the challenger. So, if only 12% of the undecideds go for Perry, he still wins.


63 posted on 09/17/2011 8:21:01 AM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: livius
The article says that 85% of Dems would still vote for Obama again. Pretty depressing. I don’t know what it would take to drive them away.

Mortars? Roving bands of counter-revolutionaries? What countries have successfully driven the left out once they have achieved their take over? Nicaragua, for a decade, but then the Sandanista scum came crawling back. Argentina? Chile is probably the most successful. Perhaps we need a General Pinochet type of figure??

It does seem more and more obvious that some sort of poltical cleansing is needed.

64 posted on 09/17/2011 8:57:02 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Jack Black

They won’t vote for Obama if there is a serious-minded, credible right of center alternative. So far none of the Tea Party candidates seem to fit that bill. And there isn’t going to be a revolution. I would stop bashing all the so-called “established” (but just as conservative) candidates and get behind a sure winner as early as possible.


65 posted on 09/17/2011 10:26:17 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: erlayman

You don’t beat the first black President with someone from a religion that banned blacks from joining until about 30 years ago. IMO, a Republican Mormon has very little chance of ever becoming President because of all the exposes 20/20 and Dateline will run on the religion that will creep people out. From a personal standpoint, my beef with Romney and Huntsman is that I believe they are the two most liberal candidates running for the nomination. You can’t possibly tell me there is anything Reaganesque in the way either man carries themselves.


66 posted on 09/17/2011 10:28:43 AM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: miss marmelstein

What do you mean by a Texas demeanor. It’s not exactly my style, either, but it’s hands down better than the East Coast arrogance and bluster of Chris Christie.


67 posted on 09/17/2011 10:32:11 AM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: erlayman

-—The Tea Party is only half of the Republican party and a third of the country (at most).

Your numbers are off, or perhaps you got them from the DNC.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/tea-partiers-fairly-mainstream-demographics.aspx

—Huntsman has absolutely nothing in common with McCain that are not hard core Republican positions.

Except that he likes to cr*p on the Tea Party because they have conservative ideas.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/06/jon-huntsman-anti-tea-party-candidate/39130/

You don’t become an ambassador to China without being a s(ckup. These are dangerous times, we don’t need an Obama false flag in our race.


68 posted on 09/17/2011 10:37:48 AM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: conservativebuckeye

Yeah, Romney is a closet liberal and old style Mormon. Huntsman is less strict religiously in addition to being the ONLY candidate running with both successful political and corporate experience who has done great things for the state of Utah and equally great things for America. He is the ONLY candidate that understands the challenges of International Trade, and even more importantly, he understands how to introduce low tax, high growth business friendly, job friendly policies.

People are going to vote for their jobs and lives - not whether a candidate walks like Reagan or was born into a different religion. At least make the case for a different candidate instead of bashing to death the most promising one already in the race.


69 posted on 09/17/2011 10:41:36 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: erlayman

How can he be a good general election candidate when the base hates him? How can he run against an administration that he was a part of? Why would a Marxist like Obama pick Huntsman for any position if he is supposedly such a good conservative?


70 posted on 09/17/2011 10:48:13 AM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: conservativebuckeye

The base hates Huntsman and could cause him to lose for whatever irrational emotional reason but it doesn’t have anything to do with him not being a fiscal conservative. There is no arguing with the record and plan which reads like a free market manifesto on every level.

Obama packed him off to China like you would a most feared rival that could potentially contest against you. If there was any ‘sucking up’, it was the president to his Ambassador challenger and the Ambassador to his country. Huntsman has made abundantly clear the failure he believes Obama has since become.


71 posted on 09/17/2011 11:00:25 AM PDT by erlayman
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To: livius
The article says that 85% of Dems would still vote for Obama again. Pretty depressing. I don’t know what it would take to drive them away.

I think that is because they vote party first and issues second.

72 posted on 09/17/2011 11:02:54 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: elli1

With all his boasting of creating so many jobs it was a fair comment. It wasn’t whiny, YOU are whiny. As for the border, perhaps if Perry did something about that border it wouldn’t be such a mess. To suggest that he can’t because others before him didn’t, doesn’t cut it. Someone needs to stand up and be the first to DO something and letting illegals know that if they come and manage to stick it out for 3 three years they can get in state tuition, doesn’t seem to be a big deterrent from even more illegals coming.


73 posted on 09/17/2011 11:25:47 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Vigilanteman
Give me Cain, Bachmann or, my favorite, Sarah Palin and I'll work for them enthusiastically. Give me Rick or Mitt and I might show up to vote for them. But that's about all, with a weak might.

I agree. The field is looking dismal, AGAIN. Not because we have no good candidates, but because the good candidates honestly don't stand much of a chance winning the nomination. There's still time though so who knows what may happen. Look at 2008. A lot of us weren't going to vote for McCain, then he picked Sarah, but even that wasn't enough to get the dem light (business as usual) elected, which just goes to show that attaching Bachmann, Cain or Palin to another dem light might not be the best way to go.

74 posted on 09/17/2011 11:33:59 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: hocndoc

From your link:

With help from the U.S. Census Bureau, we learned that about 635 people come to Texas every day, on average. A census official based that number on average daily net migration from other states (393) plus average daily net migration from other countries (242).

Ah yes, other countries. Too bad they don’t tell us how many of those are here illegally from across the southern border. (cough, cough)


75 posted on 09/17/2011 11:40:44 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: erlayman

Howard Dean even said that Huntsman is in the wrong party. The guy just comes off as arrogant and effeminate.


76 posted on 09/17/2011 12:33:31 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: conservativebuckeye

He is a very conservative Republican businessman with the best chance to beat Obama in the general. Howard Dean has his own agenda I’m sure. There is nothing in Huntsman’s record to indicate that he is a Democrat. In terms of their governing records, Jon Huntsman is more conservative than Romney ever thought of being. To me, Mitt is the phoniest man in politics and way more full of himself. But like I always say “A leftist that espoused fiscal conservative principles, cut taxes and unemployment down to historic lows, signed 3 pro-life bills into law, while in office is a leftist I would vote for.” :)

Constantly hating on someone like that is just stupid and self-defeating. I could care less how he comes off unless you have a more outstanding and electable candidate in the offing.


77 posted on 09/17/2011 1:16:45 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: Netizen

They need an alternative that isn’t actively demonizing them and scaring away even Independents or moderate Republicans. Obama is only a fallback candidate and could end up with a share of the vote anywhere from 30-60/70% depending on his opponent.


78 posted on 09/17/2011 2:48:38 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: Jack Black
What countries have successfully driven the left out once they have achieved their take over?

That's a good point. Spain drove them out but they crept back in under a "moderate" guise after the death of Franco, and then suddenly they were back in full flush with the loony Zapatero (who is basically responsible for driving Spain into the gutter).

79 posted on 09/17/2011 3:48:44 PM PDT by livius
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To: Netizen

That’s true. But it’s actually because they don’t think at all. They never really even consider the issues, they just vote Dem.


80 posted on 09/17/2011 3:49:58 PM PDT by livius
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