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To: Piers-the-Ploughman
I think you make two very good points.

As to the first, if you take a look at my "about" page you will see that I make the same argument there and if you look at my motto at the foot of this reply you'll see much the same sentiment. I quite agree, we cannot permit the media to define us.

That means that when they attempt to define us, we must strike back immediately and implacably set the record straight. I am at a loss to understand how resigning the governorship in the face of multiple bogus ethics charges sets the record straight. I am at a loss to understand why Sarah Palin has never addressed the cardinal knock against her, that she lacks gravitas, by making a serious issue oriented speeches-ideally about energy-in a serious forum such as the National Press Club. For her own reasons she has chosen not to do so.

The problem is the knock on her has not been rebutted and has become barnacled and hoary with age and part of the culture of the independents who decide elections in the manner described in the posts by Dark Wolf 377 on this thread.

In sum, Sarah Palin has indeed permitted the media to define her where it counts, among the people who decide elections and she has not rebutted it.

As to the second point, that the Republicans are destined to win by such a majority that any nominee, or at least Sarah Palin, will win despite any alleged electability handicap. I think this is a dangerous attitude to take.

There are two secular forces working against us as conservatives. The first is demographics and in every election cycle the numbers against us get worse and worse. When Obama wakes up on election morning he will have 95% of African-American vote, 70 to 80% of the Jewish vote etc., etc. So when he wakes up on that morning he will have an assured tally in excess of 40% of the popular vote.

Therefore, he is aiming to find less than double digits to win. Right now, it looks a very difficult hill for him to climb but these races often tighten up towards the end before they break.

As I have repeatedly posted, I believe that this will be a dirty election because of Obama cannot run on his record and therefore he will demagogue his opponent and especially play the race card. There is no telling how the independents will react to this and that is because of a second factor:

The media will support him in this demagoguery and we simply cannot predict with confidence how that will affect the independent vote. As Rummy would say, this is a known unknown.


114 posted on 08/21/2011 8:03:55 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
I read your post and I appreciate your concern.

However, the time has come for us to stop living in fear of the traditional media and to stop formulating our opinion on who is electable based on the traditional media's bought and paid for polls.

Another George Bush, Bob Dole or John McCain is not an option. Candidates like that fear the media and they ultimately compromise with media. In my opinion Rick Perry is another such a candidate.

The time has come to nominate a candidate, who unlike Barack Obama, does stand for what the majority of the country wants.

At this point in time, I think that Palin might be that candidate.

128 posted on 08/21/2011 9:54:03 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: nathanbedford

Would ya stop it with the shrewd, reasoned analysis? That kind of thing gets in the way of coronation!

Here’s the two other factors. Independents who lean Democrat and Democrat-lite voters, ones that were burned by voting for celebrity and not substance in 2008, are looking for a reasonable alternative to Obama. Guess which celebrity they are never going to consider in 2012?

Factor Two: A Palin nomination will stir at the deepest roots of the Democrat Party. She is loathed by them, not because of her “values”, but because they think she is total absolute moron, AND they believe there are enough hillbillies to possibly vote her in, therefore destroying America. That brings out more Dem voters, hurting down-ticket votes in the Senate and House.

A Palin nomination is good news for Democrats.


133 posted on 08/21/2011 9:59:55 AM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: nathanbedford
There are two secular forces working against us as conservatives. The first is demographics and in every election cycle the numbers against us get worse and worse. When Obama wakes up on election morning he will have 95% of African-American vote, 70 to 80% of the Jewish vote etc., etc. So when he wakes up on that morning he will have an assured tally in excess of 40% of the popular vote.

Conservatives sat out in 2008.

Liberals will sit this one out: moderates will bring their anti-Obama tar and feathers to the polling booth.

Here's where you're wrong: and it pains me to say this, since up until this thread I would *almost* have trusted your political acumen implicitly.

1) You are forgetting that, the secular force working against is is actually an opportunity, in that most of the younger generation has (like Obaama) never known anything but flimsy, sham, prosperity without work. You know, like no-doc loans for houses well beyond their means.

And guess what happens to a narcissist when his easy life gets taken away? He gets MAD. The more Obama postures that 'This is Bush's fault, it's the Tea Party's fault' the more people think: "Bullsh*t, I haven't had a JOB for one two THREE years, and I never had problems getting one before."

2) Obaama, despite the angst over him on FR and similar sites, has sold out the far left on Afghanistan, on rendition of terrorists, on gay marriage (mostly), on a whole host of issues. The hardcore left will not vote for Palin in any case: but if we act carefully, we can get *them* to stay home or even better to form their OWN third-party.

I fervently hope you are merely Eeyoring in order to inspire and hector conservatives and Palin fans to ever greater efforts as a bulwark against anticipated leftist dirty-tricks and election fraud.

But Wisconsin is teaching us: even in their stronghold, on their signature issue, the matter is not settled and they CAN be defeated. They really have run out of other peoples' money: and Atlas is shrugging, so that the attempt to get blood out of a stone is having to go after a smaller and smaller stone as companies downsize even more.

The attempt to blame "corporate jets" doesn't work when you fly your fatass wife and your kids to Martha's Vineyard, to India luxury hotels, and enjoy $100/plate meals as a matter of course.

Back Palin and we can consolidate and extend the gains of 2010, and roll back the left in the US to the early 1960s. Because she's raising up an army of loyal Americans, not of sycophantic followers and chanters of mindless slogans like Obaama has.

Bank on it.

Yikes. You just inspired a Palin-McCain vanity.

Now I won't get ANY sleep.

Cheers!

192 posted on 08/21/2011 7:54:26 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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