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The real reason Pawlenty failed
The Daily Caller ^ | August 14, 2011 | James Poulos

Posted on 08/14/2011 10:19:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So the grassroots has gone to extremes?

Which extremes are those?


21 posted on 08/14/2011 11:05:34 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just another RINO elitist who wanted the status quo!

Too bad the RINO Republicans have not woken up to the fact the Americans people have had enough of the status quo and want this Country back under the limits placed in the US Constitution by the people, for the people, and by the people.

RINO conservatives have forgotten who is the subject and who is the servant!

The elitist are now all saying “but, is she electable?” Damn right the Tea Party candidate's are electable, especially at a time when the American people are ready for a second revolution to bring this out of control government back under the control of the American people, and that is what scares the hell out of the RINO's and the liberal socialist as well!

22 posted on 08/14/2011 11:11:06 PM PDT by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The real reason Pawlenty failed ... because he’s a fake.

The people saw right through him.


23 posted on 08/14/2011 11:18:29 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: Lazlo in PA
This piece is dead on.

Hmm.

A thread posted earlier (and defended throughout) by a Lazlo in PA is highly critical of a certain Republican candidate for president. Yet this piece is "dead on."

I'm wondering if there might be two Lazlos in PA, as this piece is suggesting that the winning candidate will need to change course to be more in harmony with the mood of the nation, that the old style of offering subsidies to an ever-larger portion of the American people is no longer possible as governments at all levels sink further into the debt abyss.

Specifically, he warns Romney that he "will have to offer, like any Republican candidate serious about claiming the nomination, a fundamental departure from the miasma of convention that clings to the Republican brand."

Now, it would appear that as of last Friday there are just two in the field of candidates who might approximate the author's ideal as an alternative to business as usual in the GOP.

One is Michelle Bachmann.

Can you name the other from the prescription offered?

Does any Republican approach? For now, it’s difficult to answer yes. But the contours of a satisfactory alternative to establishment drift are easy to recognize.

In foreign policy, end our indefinite military garrisons, increase our ability to poke hard with a sharp stick at key moments and help our cornerstone allies in Europe and Asia better assert a constant regional presence.

On criminal justice, legalize soft drugs, clean up the appeals and capital punishment process, overhaul our corrupt (and corrupting) prison system, and reform and reintegrate felons.

On border issues, permit brief stays for true migrant workers, and demand an immediate choice between citizenship and deportation for resident illegal immigrants without criminal records.

On social issues, embrace the Tenth Amendment, and work to defeat and reverse judges who don’t just legislate from the bench but philosophize.

And on the defining issue of our time — subsidy and entitlement spending writ large — begin the urgent task of painstakingly unraveling the cocoon of incentives, payoffs, behavioral modifications, and socioeconomic engineering that has forced well-off, middle-class, working-class, and poor Americans to choose between greater prosperity and greater independence.

There’s no reason a Republican candidate can’t embrace these or similar positions. They amount to a post-establishmentarian vision of governance that steps outside the box created by misleading categories like “extreme” on the one hand and “centrist” on the other. And they sharply rebuke the sitting president.

They sharply rebuke his immediate predecessor as well, I might add.
24 posted on 08/14/2011 11:57:15 PM PDT by logician2u
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To: logician2u

...Ron Paul...


25 posted on 08/15/2011 12:05:52 AM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: Java4Jay
what a fake, do nothing, scab loving wimp.

Blow it out your ass, union-loving troll.

26 posted on 08/15/2011 12:15:46 AM PDT by Chunga ("Woo hoo!! Palin/West 2012. Unbeatable!!" - Jim Robinson)
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To: Retired Greyhound
If he’s not going to stand up to Romney, how can we trust that he would stand up to Obama?

Why would he stand up to Romney when they hail from the same establishment wing of the GOP?

27 posted on 08/15/2011 12:17:48 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: logician2u
...can't embrace these or similar positions...

...Because they're too timid to stray too far from the status quo for fear of being labeled extremist. This is the reason Ron Paul is being demonized by the FReaks. Most of the candidates are running the same GOP-lite, Republican lighter, or neo-con new...

Fortunatly, there is still time for them to find the combination that will produce the same result, getting BHO out of the White House...

28 posted on 08/15/2011 12:27:24 AM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: Vigilanteman
Why would he stand up to Romney when they hail from the same establishment wing of the GOP?

Because you want to be the establishment candidate, you gotta beat the establishment candidate....WHOOO !!!!

Small Ric Flair joke (while Flair is a north carolina resident, he was born and raised in Minnesota).

29 posted on 08/15/2011 12:28:48 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: logician2u

Sadly for the world, there is only one of me.

The writer is dead on as far as Pawlenty’s postmortem is concerned. His prescriptions for the party is not. If it were, there would be far more support for Ron Paul. There is not. Using the Straw Poll as a barometer for anything more than Iowan GOP fundraising is silly. By all polling available, Perry and Mittens are the front of the pack. Paul is behind. No one but the dope smoking anti war college kids support him.

Nice try in getting me to agree with the you on the sanity of Paul though. Unfortunately, I would rather sit home than vote for that man.


30 posted on 08/15/2011 12:35:28 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“On border issues, permit brief stays for true migrant workers.”

Given that the US can´t and won´t police overstays at present (with some jurisdictions openly refusing to enforce immigration law), what are the odds that these stays will really be “brief”?

“and demand an immediate choice between citizenship and deportation for resident illegal immigrants without criminal records. “

Words fail. So, the consequence of illegally immigrating to the US should be... immediate citizenship? Was this person drunk when writing the above?


31 posted on 08/15/2011 12:44:01 AM PDT by globelamp
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“(Perhaps real growth is in reach with a massive and open-ended influx of immigrants who are ready to work cheap and stay off entitlements. Good luck with that.) “

Yes, because the economic problem currently faced by the US is... a shortage of low-skill labor!?!

Again, I must assume that the author was drunk while writing the above.


32 posted on 08/15/2011 12:45:35 AM PDT by globelamp
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Plenty to disagree with here.

” The lifelong biological family is unable to reliably function as a source of social order.”

Well, it still does, to a lessened extent. Why is this so? Well, perhaps because the establishment has been waging a decades-long jihad to make it so?

“The size and scope of the criminal justice system is unsustainable and corrosive. “

Scope? Yes, to some degree. But I have a feeling the author is deeply naive when it comes to the origins of the expanded American prison and police system.


33 posted on 08/15/2011 12:51:22 AM PDT by globelamp
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; dixiechick2000
He had once used the term Obamneycare yet wouldn't use it with Romney on the stage.

He attacked Bachmann and appeared small; smaller when her counter was strong.

A weak man running for the most powerful office in the world.

Fail.


34 posted on 08/15/2011 1:04:59 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: PhilDragoo

I totally agree with every word in your post, but he is a nice guy, overall.

I hope he will run for the Senate.


35 posted on 08/15/2011 1:06:33 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Age, skill, wisdom, and a little treachery will always overcome youth and arrogance!)
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To: PhilDragoo

Unless he’s going to be a RINO.

Then, I would withdraw my support for a Senate run.


36 posted on 08/15/2011 1:07:44 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Age, skill, wisdom, and a little treachery will always overcome youth and arrogance!)
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To: Lazlo in PA
No one but the dope smoking anti war college kids support him.

Where did you get that demographic information?

Up here a lot of old farmers support him, too, not because they smoke dope, but because they remember the Depression, the mess since, and see fiscal policy which has taken us through the equivalent of the Roaring Twenties and to the brink of 1933.

They know what didn't work last time, and are looking for better ideas.

While I don't think Paul would be a good president, at the same time I have taken enough of a look at his ideas for domestic policy and think some of those have merit. A return to Constitutional limitations on the Federal Government would mean a severe downsizing of that institution, and save trillions in Federal expenditures.

37 posted on 08/15/2011 1:23:10 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It didn’t help him that he looks like a shoe salesman, and has less charisma than one.

I, for one, am glad he’s out.


38 posted on 08/15/2011 2:26:39 AM PDT by Bullish (Recovery won't begin until Obama loses HIS job.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...and demand an immediate choice between citizenship and deportation for resident illegal immigrants without criminal records.

OK. They lost me there.

There should be NO choice for legal citizenship for any illegal. They all must be deported and the first way to help them decide to go of their own volition is to not allow them any freebies, including medical care.

In the course of my current job I see hundreds of these illegals with wallets full of $100 bills all the while using every free service available, including schools and our local hospital.

They live 20 to 30 in a rented house and are still employed because, with their living conditions, they accept much lower wages than even our recent high school graduates.

39 posted on 08/15/2011 3:54:47 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Java4Jay

I thought he was AWOL when Norm Coleman was screwed out of the Senate seat to Franken.


40 posted on 08/15/2011 4:13:47 AM PDT by Recon Dad ("Don't shoot fast, unless you also shoot good..")
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