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To: parsifal

Okay, so it sounds like around 120 to 140 police officers tend to be killed in traffic accidents over the course of two years.

On the VPC article, the following are included in their reports:

First, almost half of these were killed by one individual. In this particular case, the shooting took place at the shooter’s residence and I don’t see any indication that not having a permit would have stopped either the incident or the deaths.

One of the other murderers was apparently illegally issued a concealed handgun permit.

Another of the shooters mentioned (in this case no one was killed) “shot through a barricaded door,
wounding two police officers as they broke through it [in a drug raid]. Foster claimed he thought the house
was being robbed. Foster’s lawyer claimed, ‘He didn’t know they were police officers.’”

He stated that he never heard anybody identify themselves as police officers. He had no prior record, was not involved in any illicit drugs, and claims someone else fired the first shot and that he was reacting to a shot fired inward. (Nonetheless, he reportedly pled guilty to two counts of felonious assault.)

In another case, Christina Korbe “told police and relatives she didn’t know law enforcement officials had entered the house to apprehend her husband, Robert, on drug charges. She feared her home, on Wood Runs Road, was being robbed, and her protective maternal instincts kicked in.” She was apparently defending her children from unknown intruders who turned out to be police.

“They busted the door. She was scared. She shot,” said Mr. Roland, who talked to his sister on the phone Wednesday night after she’d been arrested.

“I didn’t know. I didn’t know,” she told her brother. He said she cried as they spoke.

As always, there’s NO attempt by the VPC to evaluate whether any of the people involved would have had guns on them if they hadn’t had a permit (many such cases either obviously would not have been prevented by not having a permit or do not involve the person actually carrying concealed!), and there is NO comparison with any good done by concealed carry permit holders. An earlier study by John Lott found that concealed carry permit holders assist law enforcement officers to a far higher degree than any danger they might possibly represent.

This would be especially true when you take out the incidents of police suddenly and unexpectedly busting doors down on innocent people.


21 posted on 07/20/2009 10:13:00 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: john in springfield

16,929 murders in 2007.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

I am probably low guessing 20,000 murders, probably closer to 32,000 during the two year period. Oh boy 44 by the concealing carriers. Well less than 1%. About .0012.

parsy, who says thanks for breakdown of this alleged study!


26 posted on 07/20/2009 10:23:59 PM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: john in springfield
Another of the shooters mentioned (in this case no one was killed) “shot through a barricaded door, wounding two police officers as they broke through it [in a drug raid]. Foster claimed he thought the house was being robbed. Foster’s lawyer claimed, ‘He didn’t know they were police officers.’”

I wonder whether a jury, if asked whether the conduct of the police in such a raid was "reasonable", would find that it was? Since unreasonable searches and seizures are illegitimate (the Supreme Law of the Land explicitly forbids them), a finding that police conduct in the raid was not reasonable would imply that the person shot a couple of robbers.

61 posted on 07/21/2009 4:28:53 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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