Posted on 07/11/2009 8:16:27 PM PDT by DavidFarrar
Michael Steele wants Sarah Palin to reorient" the party and grow it. Interesting
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
You still don't get it... if you don't believe the GOP is DEAD just LOOK at it.... It's totally overrun with Rinos.. they spent like the RATS when they were in power ... and, for another future LESSON....WATCH how many RepubliCAINS vote FOR SOTOMAYOR
WIth what is happening to this country... the destruction of OUR Constitution...wide open borders...BUSH, McCAIN, and Huckabee TOO! the 12 trillion dollar deficits and OBAMA in bed with Chavez, Castro, etal
How many of your RepubliCAINS are screaming STOP from the rooftops... Like the RATS did with BUSH...???
We have fertile ground for a massive change and people like YOU think you can "FIX IT"
LOL. Public Education has certainly taken its toll... I may as well be talking to the wall.
My comment stands.
Third parties are a sure fire way to lose everything.
There is a reason why France is on their fifth republic and we are still on our first. Read some of that "distant past" history and maybe you might grasp why that is.
Or not.
Hint: Think organization.
One thing you missed... and, if you can count check it out... The GOP is NO LONGER a major party.
Bob, you just don’t get it. You want to replace something with something else, you have no idea how to do it, and you think it will magically yield results. You’re like those gnomes in the South Park episode with their grandiose plans:
Step #1 - Steal Underpants.
Step #2 - ??
Step #3 - Profit.
Instead of this nutty and unworkable “solution” of 3rd party, which again, just will elect scores more Democrats to Congress and make a bad situation an epic nation-destroying fiasco, let’s work with what we have within the party and BRING DOWN LIBERALS within the GOP and replace them with viable Conservatives. You don’t want to do that and magically expect a mythical problem-free 3rd party will defeat all. Grow up, Bob.
I hope you are right. But it’s my bet Steele and the corporate wing of the party see Palin’s inevitable swing towards a better business enviorment,i.e., lower corporate taxes, less corporate regulations, etcetera, as enough of an opening to raise the Republican Party banner for at least a few more years yet.
ex animo
davidfarrar
He has “aligned” with Palin when everyone else was trying to ignore her; Steele introduced her in Indiana as a matter of fact and gave a very complimentary speech about her... it is on youtube.
Come to Tennessee, Bob. We’re the majority party. We worked damn hard to get there, too, and we’re not done, yet. And you want to hand it all back to the Dems on a silver platter after we spent 140 years trying to depose them. What’s your major malfunction, Private Pyle ?
Some people just don’t get it. I don’t know if they ignored history or don’t care, but third parties never benefit the GOP... look at every race with third party candidates the dims usually win.
Bob:None...yet... There will be a new wave of candidates because this president has them seeing defeat with deficit spending and a near communist foreign policy.
Me:Can you name one Democrat in congress who doesn't caucus with their liberal party leaders?
Bob: None yet.... see above
So then Bob, you think it's possible for a new wave of conservatives to rise up in the Democrat party while at the same time you think that staying in the Republican is like being "a lemming running to the cliff"?
If you can't bring yourself to believe in our freedoms on such a basic item... You are no "conservative" at all...
Can you name one Democrat in congress who doesn't caucus with their liberal party leaders?
Then tell me which Democrats Sarah will campaign for?
I don’t know about Bob, but I can name two Democrats who come close to fitting the bill. They are the two Georgia House Democrats who voted against the TARP, both times, along with seven House Republicans.
Dave, there are no Democrat House members from Georgia who vote conservative with any consistancy. One votes conservative about 45% of the time while the others are between 0% and 25%.
So even though two may have voted against TARP, those two are still way to liberal.
Bob did at least asnwer that there were none. I'm going to have to give Bob partial credit for that.
Good to talk to you dixiechick2000.
Regards.
Exactly. I mean Bob thinks what’s left of the GOP will magically disappear and be replaced by a mythical 3rd party, free from original sin. It’s crazy. He has absolutely no concept of how political parties work. As for the Whigs, that was a very tentative organization to begin with, it was formed almost entirely out of the “I hate Andrew Jackson” fan club, most of whom, ironically, tended to agree with him on the bulk of the issues, but just detested his personality. It had drastically divergent interests in it. It was the party of the elites in the South, the “Cotton Whigs” and in the north, it had the more crusading “Conscience Whigs”, opposed to slavery. In some cases, it really didn’t even differ dramatically from some Democrats. The Whigs didn’t even really exist for more than about 2 decades.
Contrast that with the GOP, which is now over 153+ years old. It isn’t just some shaky national outfit that will simply collapse tomorrow just because Bob thinks it’s dead. You have to look at it state by state, and while it’s true that in some states, it is weak (NY), in some, corrupt (IL), and yes, in some dead (like Massachusetts), but in some, it’s quite strong (like my state of TN) and getting stronger.
Conservatives of conscience need to use the GOP as a vehicle for change and reform, because we can’t use the Democrats, and as long as the GOP exists (even in RINO form), a 3rd Conservative party would serve to elect scores more Democrats in districts where they get more than 35-40% of the vote (given 60%+ split two ways, with the GOP/RINO taking, say 20-25% and the Conservative getting 30-35%). Just look, for example, at the 1990 NY Governors race. There was a 3 way race, Cuomo as the Dem getting just roughly at 50% with a RINO getting 1/4th and a Conservative Party candidate getting 1/4th. Had we united behind one strong Republican, Cuomo could’ve been knocked out. Bob seems content to have that nice 30%, which will yield us a House made up of about 400 Democrats and the remaining 35 being either RINOs or Conservatives and 85 Senate Democrats with 15 RINOs or Conservatives. Just brilliant.
There are a few Democrats i.e.again who... if they had an opportunity could shift. Where would they go now? To a dying, no a dead party? No they certainly would have an aversion to becoming lemmings.
BTW... I have enough confidence in everything I say without being... um... anonymous? I use my real name and have on this forum since 1997.
Yup.
Bob also thinks that conservatives will rise up in the Democrat party while at the same time he also thinks that conservatives can't rise up in the Republican party.
I would say, Bob appears to be not right.
Beside... We were ...or at least I am ..talking about VOTING Democrats who would shift to a new party.... ONE of 2 because one will be defunct.... I guess the fog of minimal concentration might be a little too much to overcome for some on this forum.
Just because you use your real name, Bob, doesn’t make your “theories” any less devoid of reality.
This is quite pathetic... I'm talking about defections from both parties and you're still in a fog commenting on rising up...lol
The question to me was where will the new party members come from...? I clearly told you where... and you come back with... are the Democrats are going to rise up and change their party...?
No wonder the GOP nominated McCain.... I'm communicating with a typical Republican right now.
Bob just trashed 95% of the people on this forum. LOL!
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