Posted on 06/08/2008 7:12:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
>>For the life of me, I simply can not make any sense of why Jews support the dims.
IMHO, most of our “lox and bagel” (secular) Jewish brothers and sisters confuse social-justice with social-ism.
Jews vote Democrat because the Democratic Party was taken into the small ‘c’ communist orbit - and, many of America’s Jews are de facto communists.
The nasty fact is, much of the success of socialism in America is due to the efforts of American Jews.
“They choose control and influence, to serve their own interests, over what is best for everyone in the mix. Sorry guys, just the way it is.”
Sorry, that’s just Not the way it is.
As has been noted before, Jews earn like Episcopalians but vote like Porto Ricans. Can you imagine Jewish lawyers, doctors, engineers, accountants screaming Tax Me! Tax Me Even More!
But they vote for that which will increase their taxes.
Why those with high incomes would want ever increasing government, with the resulting increased taxes, amazes me.
Why do so many of the Jewish faith, support gun control?...
That one seems particularly odd.
“Half the Catholics vote Democrat.”
Just like the country as a whole, about a 50-50 split.
As I said in the prior post, ‘they choose control and influence, to serve their own interests, over what is best for everyone in the mix’.
They were the driving force for the leftward push in this country beginning in the 60’s, and they have enjoyed their influence since and they don’t want to give it up. They have nowhere near that level of influence in the Republican party.
some do though.....Irish, Italian, Poles etc
but not to the degree that we pander to blacks as a community, Jews with regard to Israel or maybe some other groups.
this is an odd year.....liberal jews will have to think which motivates them more...fear of the Christian right which is low with Mccain or conserns of Israel which ought to be high with Obama
but isn't it sort of odd to have a bloc of American voters for whom we as a nation rightfully support their kinsmen in a sea of nutcases always preoccupied about a foreign nation of like identity folks and at the same time everyone including Jews eschew that very sort of identity chauvinism in others.
look at me as a White Southern Christian...I'm 50, for many years I've watched politics unfold and my government take sides contrary to folks I felt some racial or religious affinity and sympathy for:
Rhodesia
South Africa
East Timor
Kosovo
Bosnia
Even though I support Israel and my nation does as well and at a price that has far reaching consequences and most Jews frankly have no appreciation of that from a Christian Conservative and they would loathe my support of my racial or religious kinsmen yet it's not just accepted for them to do the same damned thing but rather celebrated and pandered to by the media and politicians.
And like I said....they(lib jews) don't appreciate it much, their loathing of Christian conservatism being what it is.
Jews should foremost think about what's good for America which rightfully is usually what's good for Israel but then why do so many liberal Jews want that yet wish to destroy what made America great because they fear that power when wielded?
....serpentine enough rant for ya? it should be noted that Israelis that I have known appreciate us very very much.
sorry for the incomprhensible rant
Same question as to why many Jews knowing the dire consequences of the Nazi's continued to aid and abet those who would eventually destroy them?
McCarthy & American Jews.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1927254/posts
Waves of immigrants came to the USA from 1880-1920: the Poles the Italians the Irish the Jews. Most of these ethnic groups voted for FDR by large majorities in 1932, 1936 & 1940, but over time they have assimilated and become less politically monolithic. Yet to this day the American jews still vote democratic by hefty majorities. Why? It is because Hollywood still strenuously maintains the communist lie about the 1950-54 McCarthy era. That lie is maintained by the recent movies “A Beautiful Mind,” and “Good Night and Good Luck”.
Shortly before his death in 1953 Stalin initiated the Doctor’s Plot. There are various reasons given for that. The KGB hated Israel. Many Americans who were enthusiastic supporters of the UN were Jewish. Edvard Radzinsky in his book “Stalin” argues that while at one time Stalin hoped Jewish financial capital would help rebuild the Soviet Union after the WWII, Stalin hated the prospect of suborning himself to the Baruch Plan and he flat out rejected IAEA nuclear controls—presented in 1946 (an attitude is not entirely dissimliar to that of Iran today.) The Russians were working on their own A-bomb based on stolen US designs. Stalin, himself a Geogian, wanted to insure that the Russians saw a Russian face to a Communist Party which was top heavy with Jews.
Whatever the reason, Stalin fomented the Doctor’s plot hysteria and broke off diplomatic relations with Israel. He was within days of preparing to exile the Soviet Jews to the Gulag (as was done previously with various other ethnic minorities such as the Crimean Tatars, Chechens, etc.), and initiate another great purge along the lines of 1938.
Stalin already had the concentration camps set up, and some of the preliminary accusations had gone out for the Doctor’s Plot. 100 or so Russian jews had already been executed when he died in 1953. The important thing to recall is that the Doctor’s Plot happened at the same time as the McCarthy anti communist business from 1950-54. Also in 1953, in the US the Rosenburgs were tried and executed for treason—and this less than a decade after the Holocaust. This naturally caused fear and suspicion in the US Jewish community. This fear and suspicion was played upon by knowledgeable communists and leftists—large numbers of whom were themselves jewish. These folk not only knew about what Stalin had done in the 1930s and had been about to do with the doctor’s plot before he died, but also saw the McCarthy trials as show trials american style . . . that is, a prelude to an american pogrom. For which the Rosenbergs were exhibit A.
In a brilliant piece of jujitsu, leftists and communists imputed to Americans on the right exactly what Stalin had planned to do. But it was done soto voce. Basically, a blood libel was perpetrated on Americans without their knowing it. Worse, Christian America was painted as the tribal enemy tooth and claw of the US jewish establishment without Christian America even knowing it. Never again! — Was the battle cry. But there weren’t any such enemies of Jews in the USA. If there actually had been Christian tribal enemies in the USA, Meyer Kahane and his Jewish Defense League would have provoked them into a bloodletting. Why did Meyer Kahane behave the way he did? Because he heard the same thing as everyone else - all the Jews, that is. He heard about enemies of the jews in the heartland. But when he went to give battle, the only sorts of fights the JDL could find resulted in unintelligible court disputes in places like Idaho. In the end, Kahane married an American woman & helped expedite Stalin’s last wish—to rid Russia of Jews. When his American wife committed suicide, Kahane lost interest in the USA and focused instead on Israel. When Kahane died in 1990 it was at the hands of a Moslem.
While the American public outside NY/LA were generally given the view that the McCarthy era was an age when innocent men were unjustly tried by suspicious anti semites like McCarthy & Nixon, the NY/LA Jewish establishment was given a very different story. They were given to understand that the democrats/liberals had prevented the US from visiting a holocaust on them - and that American Jews owed their loyalty to the liberal democrats because the liberal democrats were the protectors of the Jews. And this Meme went on untouched for decades after McCarthy.
This dual track story line didn’t crack until the early 1990’s when the KGB/NKVD/GRU opened up their files on the WWII-McCarthy period. In 1995 the US’s National Security Agency opened up their Venona files. Both Russian and American spy agency files showed that McCarthy was right. The Rosenburgs were guilty. The US government —notably including the Manhattan Project—had been at one time soaked with Russian Spies. While McCarthy had the details wrong, he got the general outline of the story right. Why did McCarthy get the outline right and the details wrong? The reason is that McCarthy’s relationship to Hoover was the same as Hoover’s relationship to the NSA.
The NSA told the FBI about the Venona intercepts but insisted that the FBI could not use NSA intercepts as evidence in court. The FBI had to develop their own leads. As a result most of the spies escaped prosecution. The FBI did not get their man.
In 1950 J. Edgar Hoover began weekly meetings with Joseph McCarthy. Those meetings ended in 1954. The beginning and end of those meetings coincided with the beginning and end of McCarthy star turn in the national spot light. McCarthy got most of the details of the spy story wrong but he got the general outline of the story right. His predicament was the same as that of the FBI. Whatever Hoover told him—McCarthy could not use in the senate hearings. To this day the FBI denies that Hoover told McCarthy anything about the Venona Cables and maybe Hoover said nothing explicit to McCarthy for which Hoover could be liable in court.
Needless to say, an American style shoah was never in the cards.
The reason that Hollywood hated Ronald Reagan so much was that he was an anti communist in Hollywood during the McCarthy period. To be staunchly anti communist in Hollywood or NYC at that time was to be at least vaguely anti semitic because in the 30’s to the 50’s communism was considered to be almost a secular form of Judaism in the Jewish communities of NY/LA. Given the reputation of the Jews in capitalist countries as the quintessential capitalists, this seems ironic. But in Russia, communism was a way to get ahead for the jews. And in addition to the opportunities communism presented to Jews, there was a biblical antecedent for jewish communists in the bible in the person of Joseph in Egypt because the relationship between Jews to Joseph’s Egypt maps over well to that between Jews and Communist Russia. And the history of the Jews from Joseph to Moses looks very similar to the rise to prominence of many Jews in the soviet communist bureaucracy from the 1917-1970 and the decades long expulsion of Russia’s jews after 1970 when it became clear that communism was not working. The Russians blamed Russian jews for the failure of communism.
Reagan was among the first wave of FDR democrats to switch parties. Reagan’s star turn in Hollywood ended after McCarthy, but his experiences in Hollywood served him well when he went into public service. He always understood the jujitsu of media talk of the age. Something that cannot be said of Nixon. Nixon’s rise to prominance began with his role with the House Unamerican Activities Committee (HUAC)—a role for which gained visceral leftist enemies with long memories (in the way John Kerry gained prominence during the Viet Nam era and made visceral enemies of the swift boat veterans.) Nixons fall also coincides with the Russian expulsion of Russia’s jews.
I would not argue that Nixon paid the price for Russia’s expulsion of Russian jews. That stretches the point. However, when I hear American based Moslems talking about McCarthyism being visited on them, I have to laugh. They have unknowingly pronounced themselves guilty in the eyes of many Americans.
The history of the McCarthy period now is forgotten among American Jews except for the vague idea that somehow Republicans are bad and somehow Democrats are good.
As for the Democrats, part of the reason for the loss of their inner coherence in the last decade has been that the part of their foundational raison d’être which stems from the McCarthy era was revealed to be based on a lie. So now the core of the Democratic Party is the sodomites. Those people are not just confusing, they are confused.
David Horowitz interviewed by Rush Limbaugh some months ago — talked about how his parents were communists and he was a communist in college. He said when he was in college his views were always treated respectfully by his professors. But, he said recently, a young Christian college student told him that his homosexual college professor had singled him out in class and asked him “Why do you Christians hate queers?” Asked why he continued to do what he did in the face of all the abuse he gets, David Horowitz said that - like Rush - he took public political positions because he had to. But also he said he did it as a matter of atonement.
He gets it.
Venona Historical Writings that include comparisons of venona and russian spy lists and the changing venona story in the academy. http://www.johnearlhaynes.org/page43.html http://www.johnearlhaynes.org/index.html
Not in others. Just in white people. It's because nonwhites/nonChristians know that they are not included in this white Christian identity & they fear they will be marginalized at best & killed at worst in such a society. Like they were before. So everyone works to suppress it, while at the same time doing what comes natural: supporting their own people. I'm not American or white or Christian but this is what I think is going on.
That was my first thought as well. It must be some kind of self flagellation complex that only a psychiatrist could explain.
It's the only thing that makes sense.
And it's not only about Israel. The Democrats are the party of "gun control" and disarming the citizenry. It's as if Jews want to make sure they are unarmed in case that day arrives again where an oppressive National Socialist Democrat Workers Party (Nationalsozialistische Democrat Arbeiterpartei, abbreviated NSDAP or simply "the Nazi Party", or even more simply "the Democrats") decides to herd them into the boxcars.
It's always been a real head-scratcher.
Thank you: I knew much of that from my days in intelligence, but not all, and certainly not the “big picture” that you described. My late father, a retired Marine, had a hard time switching to the GOP in the Nixon era because Mrs. Eleanor Roosevelt had personally saved his depression-racked family from starvation, but switch he did, once the democrats showed their true colors with McGovern, et al..
See post #29
That’s a terrific post.
FRegards,
LH
that’s not very sound reasoning...not you personally
non-whites kill others unllike themselves more frequently than vice versa nowadays
i mean where are white christians hunting down folks unlike themeselves anywhere in modern history
meanwhile whites/and or white christians are under attack by differing peoples in:
American black ghetttos given the opportunity.
Africa from the 1960s Congo and Kenyan Mau Maus forward.
Anywhere in the Muslim world.
These non-whites are using white guilt for ridiculous judgement of the past to manipulate weakminded whites to go along with their usurping what was traditional “white” political power when in fact the non whites want the same damned thing they loathed the whites for having in the first place.
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Human nature....folks align with folks who look and believe like them and all the deconstruction we submit to in the west will never change that.
Future generations of whites will wake up one day.
Uh, they don’t.
Uhh...actually they do. Hispanics are mostly catholic and they vote democRAT about 60% of the time. McCain is now getting a 29% approval rating with hispanics which is interesting because it is about 5% less than dubya got in 2004.
These non-whites are using white guilt for ridiculous judgement of the past to manipulate weakminded whites to go along with their usurping what was traditional “white” political power when in fact the non whites want the same damned thing they loathed the whites for having in the first place.
Sure, but that's because PC/multiculturalism/white guilt is just a form of aggression that whites are powerless to counter, as most of them can't even recognize it as aggression in the first place.
http://www.johnearlhaynes.org/page47.html
Reflections on Ellen Schrecker and Maurice Isserman’s essay, “The Right’s Cold War Revision”
by John Earl Haynes
Interesting read
The illegal aliens and their d@mn anchor babies know full well what that might mean: Possible legally sound deportation a la the registration process.
On the other hand, if the criminals and their spawn jump into bed with the democrats, they know they can continue their lawless and sinful lifestyles without any problems from the US government.
How many times have I heard Obama even mention border security? Absolutely ZERO.
The man has ZERO intention of enforcing the law on any illegal aliens because he knows he will lose their votes if he mentions punishing criminals.
Heck, I always thought that the democrats were heavily favored by illegal aliens and other assorted criminals because the democrats are such wimps when it comes to the criminal justice process.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVAmFSODlH0
I wonder what percentage of American Jews actually give a damn about what happens to Israel.
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