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It's Time for Conservatives to Dump the GOP!
Preacher Helps ^ | May 1, 2008 | Dr. Don Boys

Posted on 05/02/2008 8:53:16 PM PDT by John Leland 1789

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1 posted on 05/02/2008 8:53:16 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789
Your right but it wont be done here.
In 2004,in Illinois, Alan Keyes won a miserable 27% of the votes.
However Keyes won 1,390,690 votes is one of the most dastardly(media) and incompetently(party) run campaigns.
That means over 1.3 million voters in Illinois(including me) are die hard conservatives. We may not have enough to win an election but we have enough to split off and have campaigners at our feet instead of the reverse.
2 posted on 05/02/2008 9:05:40 PM PDT by OeOeO (Sic Transit Gloria Mundi... Gloria get me a beer,and hurry..)
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To: John Leland 1789

Yep.

Having given what energies and time I have had, it is time for me to no longer take part in the decay of the elephant’s carcass.

I live in New Mexico, where Republicans have no political ignition point, and where ‘activism’ consists of coming out of the woodwork every four years to vote to continue the lifetime incumbancies of the NM self-servants.


3 posted on 05/02/2008 9:20:04 PM PDT by tailgunner (Conservative-Libertarian-Confederate-American Registered Republican for the nonce)
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To: John Leland 1789

Conservatives can still thwart this double-bind/ squeeze play/ Catch-22 of either an open borders RINO or a Democrat by forcing—via grassroots pressure—their Electoral College REPRESENTATIVES to vote for a write-in candidate like Duncan Hunter.

We cannot let the Liberals destroy the Electoral College by seceding—or let ourselves feel so desperate that we are willing to do it ourselves. The Constitutional Republic must be preserved.

The time for the PRESSURE of the POPULAR VOTE is coming soon, far before November and in advance of the RNC Convention.

The Liberals don’t have near the power over the entire process they want—or want us to believe.

And meanwhile, some prayer and fasting isn’t at all a bad idea.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1980506/posts?page=104#104


4 posted on 05/02/2008 9:20:57 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: John Leland 1789
So, goodbye GOP

Goodbye

5 posted on 05/02/2008 9:27:42 PM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away")
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Like any of what you say is REALLY going to happen. I would definitely love for Duncan Hunter to be the replacement POTUS candidate for the GOP, but then reality takes over again with the three remaining socialist candidates for POTUS as the only MAJOR candidates still running for POTUS in ‘08. Sigh.


6 posted on 05/02/2008 9:34:32 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Vote for conservatives AT ALL POLITICAL LEVELS! Encourage all others to do the same on November 4!)
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To: John Leland 1789

Buh bye. Don’t let the door hit ya.


7 posted on 05/02/2008 10:07:31 PM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: John Leland 1789

Start practicing bowing to Mecca, then. Because that will be the consequence if der Hildebeast or Barack Hussein are elected.

Which reminds me, I need to send Ross Perot a thank-you card for convincing enough idiots like you to give us Bill Clinton. That worked out real well, didn’t it.

The correct thing to do: do your best to get the best candidate nominated. Then do your best to see that the worst candidate gets defeated in the general election. That is: vote for in the primaries; vote against in the general.


8 posted on 05/02/2008 10:33:12 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Fred Thompson/Clarence Thomas 2008!])
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
Start practicing bowing to Mecca, then. Because that will be the consequence if der Hildebeast or Barack Hussein are elected.

Get back to us when you have something besides unprincipled scare tactics, OK?

As for me, just like this author has so correctly stated:

"Some will say dumping Republicans will help put people in office who are even more liberal than now. Could be, but that is God’s problem! We are told that we must vote for the lesser of the two evils, but it is still an evil! I will vote for principled people and leave the results to God. After all, He puts on the throne his choice and if he wants to inflict America with the likes of McCain, a female Clinton, or Obama then we will have to live with it. But I will no longer vote for such people.

I will try to vote for people who use the formula I used when I was in politics. Before voting on any bill I asked: Is it Constitutional? Is it Biblical? Is the proposed law really necessary? Do we need it at this time? Can we afford to pay for the new law? Will it expand government or erode personal freedom? That formula would sure eliminate most legislation. "


This guy is spot on!
9 posted on 05/02/2008 10:46:02 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

I consider that men like Don Boys to come out and speak out and take the stands that he takes to be, in deed, a part of the pressure you state (correctly) is needed. When will the GOP wake up?

There are big whigs in the GOP, at the national and state levels, that need to be shown the door!

Pressure? That is what men like Don Boys is applying.


10 posted on 05/02/2008 11:02:51 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789

It’s a 2 party system. We all have to choose one or the other, or else choose not to participate. Being in a third party is a way of not participating.


11 posted on 05/02/2008 11:11:26 PM PDT by buck jarret
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To: John Leland 1789
When will people wake up and understand a God centered, principled conservative third party isn't going to hob-nob with CFR globalist elites at Group of Eight, NATO, EU and intellectual debates in Switzerland? The power is entrenched and sharing it isn't fashion.
12 posted on 05/02/2008 11:12:30 PM PDT by endthematrix (Now that we use our corn for fuel, when do we eat coal for dinner?)
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To: buck jarret
It’s a 2 party system


13 posted on 05/02/2008 11:18:10 PM PDT by endthematrix (Now that we use our corn for fuel, when do we eat coal for dinner?)
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To: buck jarret

Back to the question we have posed many times:

If we agree that a two party system is best, then WHY does it always have to be the same two parties? Why can’t we dump one or both and establish new parties. Third party efforts would be necessary to accomplish this.

A way to wake up the two existing parties is to create a potential for the existing parties to be replaced. To create such a potential does require formidable grass-roots efforts to create alternative parties.

As long as we continue in the mind set that a two party system must always mean choosing either Republican or Democrat, the declension of our nation will continue.


14 posted on 05/02/2008 11:37:54 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: buck jarret
We don't have a two party system now. We have a one party system. The two existing parties are one in purpose and policy nowadays. The emergence of a Constitutional third party will help restore a two party system.
15 posted on 05/02/2008 11:41:42 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789
I am weary of politicians who are so enamored with their positions that they will compromise any principle to stay in office.

I am amused that some people are actually shocked that politicians will act like politicians.

16 posted on 05/02/2008 11:53:17 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius

“I am amused that some people are actually shocked that politicians will act like politicians.”


Speaking out against their abuses is not the same as being shocked at their behavior. You can have a ‘just live with it’ attitude if you like.

The man who made the statement you quoted didn’t try to protect his position in office by compromising his principles, so he is qualified to make the statement.


17 posted on 05/03/2008 3:04:03 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789

So, um,Don! How do you really feel?


18 posted on 05/03/2008 4:22:44 AM PDT by Randy Papadoo
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To: John Leland 1789
Oh great, let's put the Marxists in charge; it's working so well in Venezuela.
19 posted on 05/03/2008 6:55:03 AM PDT by ricks_place
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To: John Leland 1789
“I am amused that some people are actually shocked that politicians will act like politicians.” .... Polybius

Speaking out against their abuses is not the same as being shocked at their behavior. You can have a ‘just live with it’ attitude if you like. The man who made the statement you quoted didn’t try to protect his position in office by compromising his principles, so he is qualified to make the statement. ....... John Leland 1789

I am also amused by people who believe in mythical creatures such as "the GOP" and blame said creature because other American voters which may include their own next door neighbor and even their own sister or mother in other states or their wife or daughter in their own house voted differently in primaries and the candidate of choice of those other Americans actually got more votes and won the primary election.

I am also amused by people who believe that, in the political process, boycotting the general election or writing in a vote for "Ronald Reagan's ghost" or writing in a vote for a candidate that has no more chance of getting elected than their kid's pet goldfish somehow constitutes something other than "living with it".

I am also amused at people who believe that worshiping their own egos to the point that they allow great harm to come to their country, their neighbors, their friends and their family if their preference is not always followed by their neighbors, their friends and their family in the primary election voting booth somehow constitutes a "principled" position.

I am also amused at people who, when a politician acts like a politician, again blame the mythical creature called "the GOP" instead of blaming the particular politician in question.

As Winston Churchill once said, "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

As I have made it clear, the majority of politicians are as trustworthy as used car salesmen but, by the nature of politics, politicians are the only people that enter politics in significant numbers on the national level in 21st Century America. If you want to find the "citizen legislator" of early 19th Century American lore, move to a small town with a population below 10,000 and look in the City Council.

In the absence of any people who actually change things for the better or, at least, do not allow things to change for the worse, the system has slimy politicians lying to the gullible voters (sometimes referred to as Sheeple) while the Sheeple mindlessly vote for the candidate that promises them the greenest grazing pastures.

Success in politics, and I mean REAL success and not ego-massaging "Look how principled I am" attention whoring, involves being a responsible shepherd and working hard at getting the flock of sheep (the majority of the Sheeple voters) to move in the direction the shepherd wants them to move.

That takes a lot of hard work and sometimes the flock of sheep takes that responsible shepherd quite far from the route the shepherd wants them to take. That responsible shepherd, however, does not allow great harm to come to the flock as a whole.

It is very easy to be a "Sunshine Shepherd", identify the 20% of the sheep that naturally want to move in the direction you want the entire flock to move in, declare yourself the shepherd of those 20% of the sheep alone and then go on your merry way praising yourself for being such a great and "principled" shepherd as 80% of the flock perishes.

The position of "It's Time for Conservatives to Dump the GOP!" is a "Sunshine Shepherd" position.

You just go right ahead, take the lazy and easy way out and work only with the sheep that naturally go exactly where you want them to go. Then, after 80% of the flock heads straight for the pack of wolves and perishes and America Sheep Farm goes belly up, you can pat yourself on the back and praise yourself to the high Heavens about how "principled" you were and what a fantastic shepherd you were.

I will be with the shepherds that do not let their egos prevent them from chasing after the lost sheep so that the majority of the entire flock does not perish and so that and America Sheep Farm does not go belly up.

20 posted on 05/03/2008 9:33:49 AM PDT by Polybius
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