Posted on 10/17/2006 4:37:32 PM PDT by ml/nj
Rush:
Maybe you remember me? I'm "Mike from North Caldwell." I've been a (an accepted) "caller" to the show about 20 times, but I have not tried to call for five years or more now. I still listen when I can, but work makes it difficult for me to call these days.
Today is a day I would have called. I would have called have called after you got that woman, who ostensibly called to chide you for being to tough on Republicans who won't support RINOs, to say she would vote straight Republican because she had no other choice.
I wonder if you have some advice for me. You see, I live in New Jersey and the Republicans want me to vote for Tom Kean, Jr. Now Tom Kean, Jr. didn't just support the smoking ban here in NJ. He's not just a co-sponsor. He's the guy who introduced the bill; and he's proud of it. Because of Tom Kean, Jr.'s bill I have had to join a private club to have a comfortable place to smoke a cigar. (Side note: The club was written up in CA and I'm sure the members would be honored if you would show up at one of the monthly club dinners.) I really don't want this guy in the Senate. Sure, we might lose a vote in the full Senate but Kean, if he wins, would get committee assignments that might go to a real Republican.
And what about my representative, Rodney Frelinghuysen? Have you even heard of him? He is the ultimate get-along-go-along-Republican. He has been elected here six times to the House, and is the fourth Frelinghuysen to represent NJ there. They think it's their own little Duchy. Recently I received a response from him regarding my objection to the circuitous ban on Internet gambling. He didn't care. He was voting for it. Now I have never bet a nickel on poker or sports on any of the internet sites targeted by this bill (and not much more than a few dollars elsewhere) but I would like to think that if I had the time sometime, I could play in an on-line poker tournament. Now RINO Frelinghuysen has helped make that unlikely. Why should I support a guy who thinks my (potential) recreational gambling is his business, or that it is even within the province of the Federal Government?
And what about our President? I give him very high marks and credit for there not having been another successful terrorist attack here in the United States since 9/11. But does his government really have to prevent middle-aged guys like me from carrying my shaving kit onto an airplane, when flying to or from the same airport near my home that I have used for more than 25 years now? I had to get up at 4AM yesterday for a 6:20 flight even though I was staying only five minutes away from the small airport I used to fly home. I was all for the war in Iraq, but I'm hardly for imposing "democracy" on them. (I'd withdraw to garrisons outside the cities, and only come in to "restore order" when it suited our interests.) We used to criticize "nation building." What happened?
Now maybe you'll argue that the Supreme Court is at stake. And you would have a point. But really, except for aggravating me, Supreme Court decisions have much less effect upon my life than not being allowed to take a tube of toothpaste with me when I board an airplane.
So I'm not going to vote for Kean or Frelinghuysen. I cannot vote for Bush again, but I tell you now I won't be voting for McCain if he is the Republican nominee in '08. No, I almost certainly will not be voting for the Democrat either. Instead I'll look for some Conservative, Libertarian, of Constitutional Party candidate in these elections. Almost every one of the votes these parties get is a vote that the Republicans will know they could have had with a true Republican candidate. I'm hoping to encourage them in that direction.
Thanks for reading this.
ML/NJ (aka "Mike from North Caldwell")
I guess some folks need more instruction than others.
I manage to form my own opinions with no radio smart-feller lectures.
It takes all kinds, I suppose.
The time to clean house is during the Primaries. You vote your party line during the Federal elections.
I'm in a similar situation except the fool for whom I shall vote isn't a sitting Senator. I'm from TN and have Corker on the ticket. I voted and prayed he would not win the Primary. Unfortunately, he did. So now I will vote for the bastid no matter how much it pains me because I'm voting for a Party seat, not the man.
So many of you seem to have forgotten those of us who sat home or voted for Perot a while ago. I made one of the biggest mistakes of my life. I will never repeat that mistake.
I give that one to the American people. Before WTC 1 and the OKC there were no terrorist attacks in the United States. Does that mean that the American Revolution was THAT effective?
No. It mean's we've been lucky.
So I guess guess college wasn't for you either.
ML/NJ
Here in PA the party does not allow a real primary to occur. Until such time as the national party learns to keep their grubby mits off the primary, the general is fair game. We will do what we have to do, even if it's in the general.
And if we are obligated, by virtue of our registration to vote straight party in the general, why don't the parties just agree to spare us the trouble of going to the polls? Why don't they just register our votes for us? The simple answer is we're not so obligated. It is precisely that line of thinking that has lead the Republicans to ignore and piddle on conservatives and the conservative agenda...thinking that our votes were their votes by right. WRONG. GAME OVER.
Rick Santorum in particular said, something like "where are they gonna go?" when he was questioned about disgruntled conservatives. That demonstrates a profound arrogance that we must never tolerate. If they want our votes, even in the general, they must EARN them.
No matter how you cut it, it always comes down to one of two choices: a democrat or a republican. 3rd parties don't even try to win and are mostly in it just for the campaign money handed out by the Fed.
If you don't vote for the republican, then you directly or indirectly vote in favor of a democrat GETTING ENTRENCHED in the corridors of power and pork. They are hard, nearly impossible, to get out.
So, Mike, I can only assume that you voted for someone else in the primary and that your guy lost.
Vote republican in the general election, and then look for a real republican with a real chance to oppose the rino you hate in the next primary election. It's only 2 years away. That's not too long in politics.
I have my limits. I wonder if maybe you do too. Would you vote for an abortion doctor? Would you vote for someone who sued the Boy Scouts on behalf of admitting queers? Would you vote for someone who advocated making Spanish an official language of the United States?
And what of the primaries you seem to put so much faith in? Do you know what happened to Bret Schundler here in NJ a couple of years ago? He had the temerity to challenge the GOP endorsed (Why do they endorse in a primary?) candidate for governor here. Schundler was supported by many of us here at FR, and he WON the primary. The humiliated GOP stayed away from the November election and Schundler got creamed.
Open you eyes.
ML/NJ
I suppose the Democrat defeated Shundler the Republican and that it was not a libertarian, constitution, or green party candidate. In which case my point is made.
At this juncture in history, there are really only 2 candidates, and 99.99% of the time it's going to be the Dems and the Reps.
Just a fact of life.
You have no clue. Schundler was defeated with the willing acquiescence of GOP you want me to support blindly. He is and was a Republican.
What about the abortion doctor, are you going to vote for him? (I love how you Kool-Aid drinkers dodge my questions.)
ML/NJ
I am a proud Bush-bot, card carrying Republican conservative.
I can SAFELY drink conservative Repub koolaid because they're basically sane people.
They WILL NOT run an abortion doctor for office....they will run a pro-lifer like Bill Frist, though, who is a HEART DOCTOR.
YOU failed to admit that it was a Dem or a Rep who won that office. Meaning, of course, that throwing a vote at the constitution or libertarian (we show up at election time) parties is equal to throwing a vote away.
Braindead letter from top to bottom. I disagree with the entire 'win by losing' theme in general, but this guy doesn't even give good reasons for it.
Yah? Bulls#!t. I know people who worked for Schundler's campaign, and THEY don't even believe that.
It's a fairy tale for people who'd rather make themselves feel good then make the tough decisions that real governance and leadership require.
Soooo...if the only choice is between voting for a RINO and voting for a DemRat, you're going to vote for the DemRat?
Perhaps you'd be more at home over at the DUmmies Underground then. They'll just LOVE your 'methodology'. In fact, they've been promoting it for months now!
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Electing RINOs -- dems who wear an R -- serves only to help the dems, not us. I won't vote for a RINO any more.
The presumption (or should I say, the ASSumption) is that anyone that listens to Rush is not capable of 'thinking' for themselves. This bs attempted insult conservatives or Rush-fans usually always comes from rabid lefties. Usually.
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So I guess guess college wasn't for you either.
Wow! What an original line. And you probably didn't intend it for me.
But since you asked, my board scores predicted that I would do well in college, and they were right.
ML/NJ
That pretty much tells the tale. I find it interesting that the person in question brings up third parties in particular the Constitution Party, which has a thing against the War against terrorism. No party is perfect, but when they lost sight of the goal and began to condemn the President, they lost me in a heartbeat.
ml/nj:
I feel exactly the same way as you do. Kean's sponsorship of S1926 (Private Property/Smoker ban) was a litmus test. It's an issue that may seem trivial to a lot of people here but it separates real conservatives from those who give it lip service.
Don't let these people who are angry with you here get you down. Most of them don't live in the Peoples Democratic Republic of NJ like us. They don't know what it's like to be a red dot in a see of blue.
I'll go to ASHES in Red Bank and enjoy a cigar and a martini. If I have one martini, I'll write in Barry Goldwater. Maybe if I have another, I'll get enough nerve to actually be able to vote for Kean.
(Did you check out the club I referred to in my original post?)
ML/NJ
My post was referring to another poster who got your 'ire' up. But you interpreted and perceived it as being against you, and then you posted accordingly against me. Your choice, tsk tsk...
Normally, I would say 'sorry about the confusion'.... but...after the attack by you on me, rather than any quest for clarification, I'm not so sure that any apology is deserved.
It's a little late now, but I was actually agreeing with you.....(hint: WITH you...against the poster that you posted THIS in response to:
To: humblegunner "So I guess guess college wasn't for you either." ML/NJ 64 posted on 10/19/2006 6:30:29 AM PDT by ml/nj
And for the record, I'm a conservative that does not have 'board scores'. Being a navy brat that moved around quite a lot, I did things the olde fashioned way. I went to work right out of HS. But I'm awfully glad that you did 'well' in college.
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So I guess guess college wasn't for you either.
Wow! What an original line. And you probably didn't intend it for me. But since you asked, my board scores predicted that I would do well in college, and they were right.
See, we're all not as sharp as you are. Some of us need coherent sentences and fail to understand deep compositions like: "This bs attempted insult conservatives or Rush-fans usually always comes from rabid lefties."
Unlike you, I did know you were on my side because I read a few of your other posts when I couldn't understand what you posted to me. But we really don't need people like you to be advocating positions for our side because it might make us all look like dolts to others without your amazing intellect.
Anyone who has seen more than a handful of my posts and suggests that I "must be a leftie," is surely brain-dead.
ML/NJ
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