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Moderates-What Role If Any?

Posted on 05/25/2006 11:42:38 AM PDT by BigNoddy

Please forgive me if I have transgressed in some way here. I am new and am just learning to navigate this interface. And I am not privvy to much of what has been discussed here.

This stems from a mildly inflammatory exchange I had elsewhere about the Republican Party here in Illinois. A poster suggested that the moderates here were the cause of the current disarray, and that when "we" regain control again of the party then "we" will get people elected again.

I found that most curious since the "we" he seems to be referring to never had control of the Republican Party here, to the very best of my knowledge and belief.

I consider myself to be a moderate Republican. I have a problem with other Republicans telling me that I'm irrelevant, or to f*** off. So what is it? Am I part of this party, or what? Is the future of the Party going to be exclusively with the right wing? Is there any room for the left at all?


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1 posted on 05/25/2006 11:42:39 AM PDT by BigNoddy
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To: BigNoddy

What does a moderate Republican believe if anything, that is non-negotiable?


2 posted on 05/25/2006 11:49:35 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (When Ted Kennedy and HRC support you Mr. President, it's time for some soul searching)
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To: trubluolyguy

Asking me to speak for all moderate Republicans, for one thing.


3 posted on 05/25/2006 11:52:22 AM PDT by BigNoddy (I guess it's all Israel's fault <sarcasm>)
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To: BigNoddy

I think you misunderstand my question. So I will frame it in simpler terms.


What do YOU as a moderate Republican believe that is non-negotiable?


4 posted on 05/25/2006 11:58:01 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (When Ted Kennedy and HRC support you Mr. President, it's time for some soul searching)
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To: trubluolyguy

Oh shucks and golly gee, thanks for dumbing this one down for me!

Might I respectfully suggest that it was you who missed something about my answer? Now, since we're talking in condescending riddles, what do YOU think it was that I was saying?

The word "condescending" was a clue, by the way. A big one.


5 posted on 05/25/2006 12:04:30 PM PDT by BigNoddy (I guess it's all Israel's fault <sarcasm>)
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To: BigNoddy
Is there any room for the left at all?

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No.

Welcome to Free Republic.

6 posted on 05/25/2006 12:13:48 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Interesting. So you're saying that you want to alienate moderate Republicans? You don't want our votes?

BTW, "left" in this context doesn't mean the same thing as it might in others.

Thanks for the welcome though.


7 posted on 05/25/2006 12:16:12 PM PDT by BigNoddy (I guess it's all Israel's fault <sarcasm>)
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Interesting. So you're saying that you want to alienate moderate Republicans? You don't want our votes?

What causes you to use the adjective "moderate" in front of Republican?

Are you embarrassed just to be a "Republican"?

8 posted on 05/25/2006 12:18:32 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: BigNoddy
So you're saying that you want to alienate moderate Republicans? You don't want our votes? BTW, "left" in this context doesn't mean the same thing as it might in others.

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If "Left" and "moderate" mean the same to you, you're no Republican.

9 posted on 05/25/2006 12:19:44 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: sinkspur

Not at all. Why do you object to my use of the word "moderate"?

Again, this is not meant to be a smart alecky answer. I am reluctant to put my views out there at this point in my FreeRepublic tenure though.

Suffice it to say, at this point, that I am not Christian.


10 posted on 05/25/2006 12:22:24 PM PDT by BigNoddy (I guess it's all Israel's fault <sarcasm>)
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To: BigNoddy
Again, this is not meant to be a smart alecky answer. I am reluctant to put my views out there at this point in my FreeRepublic tenure though.

Then don't be surprised if responses to you assume the worst, i.e., that you're a full-blown leftist.

By the way, there are Jews and atheists on this board, so your religious beliefs are not a determinant.

11 posted on 05/25/2006 12:25:56 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: BigNoddy

Interesting.

I have been marked "TROLLTIME" simply because I claim to be "moderate". And I claim to be "moderate" because I am not Christian.

I.e. I took a view that was somewhat against my party on the Schiavo matter. I say somewhat because I do not know exactly what the party view was, while I do know the view of the Christian right.

Also I took great offense here, in Illinois, when the right wing of our party rid us of contenders and brought in carpetbagger Alan Keyes. Hence I am a moderate, of the ilk of a James Thompson, Jim Edger, and various other Illinois Republicans.

Why is this offensive?


12 posted on 05/25/2006 12:28:20 PM PDT by BigNoddy (I guess it's all Israel's fault <sarcasm>)
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To: sinkspur

Are not "a determinent" of what?

I don't identify with the far right in the party. BFD?


13 posted on 05/25/2006 12:29:24 PM PDT by BigNoddy (I guess it's all Israel's fault <sarcasm>)
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To: trisham

Who are you to say that I am "no Republican?"

I am "left" in terms of Republicans. "Left", "moderate", why do you care how I define it?


14 posted on 05/25/2006 12:31:16 PM PDT by BigNoddy (I guess it's all Israel's fault <sarcasm>)
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To: BigNoddy
I am reluctant to put my views out there at this point in my FreeRepublic tenure though.

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LOL! Wise of you to start a thread, then.

15 posted on 05/25/2006 12:33:12 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

What have you got against Zen there trisham? Have you tried it?


16 posted on 05/25/2006 12:34:26 PM PDT by BigNoddy (I guess it's all Israel's fault <sarcasm>)
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To: BigNoddy
So what is it? Am I part of this party, or what? Is the future of the Party going to be exclusively with the right wing? Is there any room for the left at all?

Who are you to say that I am "no Republican?"

I am "left" in terms of Republicans. "Left", "moderate", why do you care how I define it?

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Almost funny.

17 posted on 05/25/2006 12:37:02 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

"Almost funny."

Translation: Trisham believes that there is no room for an honest discussion about what the Party is, and what it should be. Anyone who disagrees with Trisham can go f*** off.

It isn't your Party, pal. I have been an active Republican in Illinois for several decades. I am very sorry to report that is exactly the attitude you exhibit here that has pretty much destroyed us here. And I fear that it is getting worse, not better.

Worse yet, I see the same kind of thing happening on a national level and I don't like it. Not one bit. I don't want to see get trounced in November but I don't see any way around it. People get pissed off when confronted with the attitude you display here. VERY pissed off.

You think that's good? You think that bodes well for us?

A little Zen might do you some good. I for one would like to show you what a little Baguazhang might do.


18 posted on 05/25/2006 12:45:50 PM PDT by BigNoddy (I guess it's all Israel's fault <sarcasm>)
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To: BigNoddy; Pukin Dog
I don't identify with the far right in the party. BFD?

Nor do I, on everything. But, I dive right in and discuss and argue.

Putting up a vanity thread about yourself and your views is a bit presumptuous, it seems to me.

You ain't the Pukin Dog, after all!

19 posted on 05/25/2006 12:46:37 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: BigNoddy

I think you are a troll.

The "moderates" have been running the GOP for years and years.

Remember Bob Michel? bobdole? Richard Lugar?


20 posted on 05/25/2006 12:48:39 PM PDT by sauropod ("Heaven on my left, Hell on my right and the Angel of Death behind me" - Dune)
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