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To: papertyger

"The writer got everything right except this part. "Old Florida" or as I call them "the good old boys" did NOT go uniformly for Castor."



What do you define as "the good old boys"? I believe that Hill was not referring to conservative North Floridians (the only "real Southerners" in the state and the people whom I would call "good old boys") but to the descendants of pre-WWII Florida families that live throughout the state (but especially in Miami, Palm Beach, Sarasota, Tampa, St. Pete and Jacksonville). I don't think one can glean how well Castor did among these "Old Florida" voters merely by looking at county results.


12 posted on 08/18/2005 4:00:15 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
I don't think one can glean how well Castor did among these "Old Florida" voters merely by looking at county results.

I agree with everything you've said. And my analysis is actually political "water witching," but that doen't make it wrong. I'm related by marriage to precisely the "Old Florida" you describe.

It makes absolutely no sense to me either, but I've learned to "read the sign" for when they'll re-elect a sheriff that got caught groping teen-age girls working in his restaurant, and when they'll turn away from somebody who'll give them exactly what they want.

Long story short, Harris has "got it": Castor didn't.

13 posted on 08/18/2005 4:39:36 PM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." – Frederick Douglass)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I took a look at that Martinez/Castor race to see where she did better than Kerry, perhaps in indication of where "Old Florida" may have supported her, or at least some of it. Perhaps those of you more familiar with Florida can glean something from the results, where Harris might do better than Martinez. In the other counties, Bush and Martinez ran almost even or in similar proportions. This is what was significantly different for me to note.

Martinez dropped a few thousand votes in Citrus County, turning a nearly 10,000 vote lead for Bush into a near 3,000 vote lead for himself.

Dixie County: Again, dropoff for Martinez and bump for Castor, though he still won the county. Dropoff was about 1,000 votes.

Duval: Martinez still had a big win over Castor, but Bush's win was bigger by about 15,000.

Flagler: Martinez loses narrowly while Bush wins by about 1,000.

Franklin: Same as Flager

Hamilton: Martinez narrowly loses, Bush narrowly wins, with each under a margin of 1,000 votes.

Hillsborough: One of the biggest splits in the vote count. Bush wins by 31,444 votes, while Martinez loses by 22,967.

Lafayette: Tiny county here. Goes for Bush in a landslide, while breaking almost even for Martinez and Castor.

Liberty: Barely goes for Castor by 11 votes. Bush gets about a 900 vote margin here.

Madison: Another Bush/Castor county. Bush squeaked by, Martinez lost by about 1,000.

Manatee, Marion: Martinez drops about 1,000 from Bush's total in each of these counties, while Castor picks up from Kerry's total by about 4,000. (Martinez still wins these, though)

Martinez narrowly won Miami-Dade, doing much better than Bush (Not that he was expected to win it anyway).

Martinez narrowly carried Orange County by 572 votes, while Bush lost it by only 815 votes.

Pasco was not as kind to Martinez as to Bush, shaving off about 10,000 from Bush's total to Martinez. Castor gets a 6,000 vote boost here from Kerry.

Bush scraped out a narrow win in Pinellas County by 226 votes, while Martinez lost it by 36,811 votes. Perhaps the biggest split between the presidential and senatorial races.

Martinez drops about 20,000 in Polk County, and Castor picks up about 7,000 from Kerry's.

Sarasota delivers another hit to Martinez, giving him only a 4,000 margin over Castor, while Bush wins it handily.

Volusia: Bush didn't win this county, and neither did Martinez, though he loses by a bigger margin, dropping 7,000 from Bush's total.

Well, at least we know why the Florida senate race was such a nailbiter. Bush's high turnout is probably got Martinez over the finish line, or at least out of recount territory.


15 posted on 08/19/2005 7:42:21 PM PDT by Galactic Overlord-In-Chief ("I do know dumbass questions when I see dumbass questions." - Senator Orrin Hatch to Chuckie Schumer)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
If the Old FL theory is true, then Allan Bense would not have dropped out of the Senate race. With Attorney General Charlie Crist looking to be Jeb's Heir, Harris is our best candidate to oust Nelson. I hope the National GOP isn't going to write her off. She needs our support. Sometimes you just got to confront the phony messages of the RATS even if they accuse us being hateful. After all, the defeat of Max Cleland is a perfect example of what happens when conservatives challenge the falsehoods of liberals.
18 posted on 08/25/2005 7:25:53 PM PDT by Kuksool
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