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Boston Red Sox vs New York Yankees - Game 4 Live Thread: Red Sox 0, Yankees 0

Posted on 10/12/2003 4:23:15 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon

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To: Momaw Nadon
Sorry but the Red Sox groundcrew is still in jail after beating up the Yankee bullpen...
41 posted on 10/12/2003 4:51:30 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Momaw Nadon
Can't the grounds crew "cowboy up" and dry out the field???

lol.....Judging (from yesterday's bullpen incident) by the amount of alcohol the grounds crew consumes, they'd be hardpressed to get the job done properly.

42 posted on 10/12/2003 4:51:52 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Dog
Basebrawl.
43 posted on 10/12/2003 4:53:30 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: JohnnyZ
Ya!!!!!!!!!! 4-2 baby.
44 posted on 10/12/2003 4:58:50 PM PDT by mikemc282002 (<---12 years old on Oct 25, 1986....it still hurts.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Now the LoSox can completely skip pitching their worst pitcher (John Burkett) in this series and go with Wakefield in game 4 instead, if they so choose.

The radar in the above post clearly shows that the rain is over. I've never seen a game postponed after the rain has stopped.

I believe during the regular season, it is the home team that is responsible for posponing a game, before the game.

Does anybody know if this is what occured here?

45 posted on 10/12/2003 4:59:27 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
MLB made the decision, since it is a playoff game.
46 posted on 10/12/2003 5:01:41 PM PDT by Semper911 (For some people, bread and circus are not enough. Hence, FreeRepublic.com)
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To: Semper911
Boston Globe: Pedro Attacked!
NYT: Red Sox pitcher attacks elderly man (women and minorites affected most)

Both subheadlines: Sen Pelosi demands investigation into Bush Administration involvement.
47 posted on 10/12/2003 5:06:56 PM PDT by mikemc282002 (<---12 years old on Oct 25, 1986....it still hurts.)
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To: Dog
Sorry but the Red Sox groundcrew is still in jail after beating up the Yankee bullpen...

I bet the Boston groundcrew left the tarp off the field or something worse yet, when it rained today, just so that Burkett couldn't pitch in the series -- the unabashed on-the-job homers that they are.

48 posted on 10/12/2003 5:09:05 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Momaw Nadon
The good news is I just saw Satan purchasing a snowblower. The bad news is he was making his purchase in Chicago.
49 posted on 10/12/2003 5:10:20 PM PDT by Thor_Hammar
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To: Dog
I hope and pray that you are wrong!! Go sox!! End the curse!!!!
50 posted on 10/12/2003 5:13:15 PM PDT by BobFromNJ (curse)
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To: SamAdams76
Come on Sam....give the folks a break.

How many weekday afternoon games do they play any more?

I can remember running home from school to catch Jim Britt reading the teletype from Cleveland.

Now I'm almost retired and I love to sit on my porch on a warm October afternoon and watch the BoSox!

In the 50s the only commercial breaks were for Narragansett Beer...........now they hold up the game to get 5 spots in.

Anyway the delay will allow Zimmer to heal his bruises....what a dork!

51 posted on 10/12/2003 5:14:30 PM PDT by JimVT
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To: JimVT
Narragansett beer...that brings back fond memories. Not that I ever drank it but I would hear their commercials during Sox games as a little kid. I've got the jingle somewhere in the back of my mind...I'm trying to coax it out.
52 posted on 10/12/2003 5:17:17 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (208.0 (-92.0) Homestretch to 200)
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To: JimVT
Bump!! Yes, what a dorf indeed!!
53 posted on 10/12/2003 5:17:56 PM PDT by BobFromNJ (curse)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Must you be so arrogant?
54 posted on 10/12/2003 5:18:31 PM PDT by baseballfanjm
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To: baseballfanjm
Yes
55 posted on 10/12/2003 5:18:56 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
OK, just checking.
56 posted on 10/12/2003 5:20:31 PM PDT by baseballfanjm
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To: Mr. Mojo
all this does is prolong the Yankees' inevitable trip to the World Series.

So they can lose to the Cubs. Suits me.

57 posted on 10/12/2003 5:24:36 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Plus de fromage, s'il vous plait...)
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To: JimVT
Actually the cancellation of the game tonight does have a silver lining. The Sox were scheduled to pitch John Burkett tonight, their #4 and least effective starter. Now they will be able to pitch Wakefield (whose knuckleball baffled the Yanks in Game 1) tomorrow night and follow up with Lowe (Game 5) and Pedro (for Game 6, if necessary). Then if it goes to Game 7, why they could pitch Wakefield again and leave him in there until his arm falls off.

58 posted on 10/12/2003 5:25:02 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (208.0 (-92.0) Homestretch to 200)
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To: Dog
Any interest in the facts, my friend?

Police investigating Yankees' bullpen fracas

By Kevin Paul Dupont, Globe Staff, 10/12/2003

A spokeswoman for the Boston Police Department said late last night that it is investigating a ninth-inning melee in the Yankee bullpen -- one that Red Sox officials say involved two Yankees assaulting a member of the Red Sox grounds crew -- and summonses may be issued, possibly charging the two players with assault.

"But we are looking for more detailed information before that happens," said the spokeswoman, Mariellen Burns. "We are looking to interview all the involved parties."

According to Dr. Charles Steinberg, the Red Sox' executive vice president of public affairs, Yankees pitcher Jeff Nelson and outfielder Karim Garcia, and possibly other members of the Yankees, attacked Paul Williams, a grounds crew member assigned to the bullpen, moments after Williams waved a rally rag at Sox fans in the Fenway stands.

Williams was at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center last night, receiving treatment for what the Sox claim to be multiple injuries, including cleat marks on his back and arms.

Steinberg also said that Major League Baseball, at the request of the Sox, last night began investigating the incident.

In the ninth, Williams turned to fans and exuberantly double-pumped a rally towel. It was then, said Steinberg, that Williams was set upon by Nelson and, later, Garcia, and possibly other teammates.

"It was to resonate with the fans," said Steinberg, explaining the intent behind Williams's towel waving. "If it was in poor taste, it didn't warrant the beating."

According to an Associated Press report, Nelson claimed Williams threw the first punch.

According to Sox general manager Theo Epstein, who was still sorting through details of the fracas approximately a half-hour after Boston's 4-3 loss, Williams was assigned to the Yankee bullpen. Steinberg explained that Williams's job is to manicure the two pitching mounds and he was posted in there as of approximately 3:45 p.m. By Epstein's description, Nelson was irritated when he saw Williams waving the towel in the bullpen and cheering for the Red Sox.

"The guy had been walking up and down [in the bullpen]," Nelson told reporters in the Yankee clubhouse after the game. "I said, `If you're going to wave that rally rag -- go over there and wave it.' "

By saying "over there," Nelson meant that Williams should have gone to the Red Sox' bullpen.

"I asked him nice," continued Nelson, "and he got in my face a little bit -- and I wasn't having it."

In the midst of Boston police and security personnel calming the melee, Garcia emerged with what appeared to be an injured left hand and had to be replaced in the field by Juan Rivera. Yankees manager Joe Torre said Garcia's hand had been bloodied, but the extent of his injuries was not known late last night.

Kevin Winter, a freelance radio reporter, interviewed Williams soon after the attack. According to Winter, Williams said, "I pumped my fist and Nelson jumped me."

At the hospital, a man who identified himself as Paul Williams Sr., father of the grounds crew member, said he couldn't believe what happened.

"I've never seen it before," said the senior Williams. "My son likes the Yankees. He's banged up right now. It doesn't sound like anything too serious." The younger Williams was seen leaving the hospital around 1:30 a.m. wearing a neck brace. Mac Daniel and John Powers of the Globe staff and Globe correspondent Allen Vaughan contributed to this report.

59 posted on 10/12/2003 5:26:25 PM PDT by JimVT
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To: Mr. Mojo
Damn, I just posted almost the same thing you just posted. Great minds think alike except I differ with you about Game 7. I think they will pitch Wakefield on three days rest rather than start Burkett. That is, if it even gets that far. And yes, I can see them using Pedro or Lowe in relief in a Game 7. It's not like the Red Sox have a real bullpen or anything.

60 posted on 10/12/2003 5:27:40 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (208.0 (-92.0) Homestretch to 200)
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