Can a practising Roman Catholic in good conscience vote for Arnold?

10/04/2003 | amordei

[amordei]

I would think not. Contrary to popular perception, states do have some latitude on abortion. However, I am interested in the thoughts of other RCs. Please, no flaming, just honest discourse. Thanks.

[doug from upland]

This Catholic believes it is immoral to allow Gray Davis or Cruz Bustamante to be in power.

[opinionator]

Au contraire, it is a two way race.

[amordei]

Why? Because from the RC point of view, all candidates save McClintock are infirm on the central question of life.

[narses]

Since Cruz has stalled, vote for Tom. The race is now between Tom and the babykiller kennedy-in-law.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Conservative, shmonservative. If you were posting as an anti McCainiac, then why does the search function not yank out on you what it yanks out on everyone else?

[amordei]

Is that right? I generally sit out elections where there is no pro-life candidate (at least, nominally).

[narses]

Yes it is, between Tom and the babykiller. Cruz has stalled out. He is toast. Vote for life.

[amordei]

I have no idea. However, I most certainly posted against McCain. Back then, I believed that Bush was a better shot on the life issue than McCain.

[narses]

Yes. Your obligation is to vote for the least evil candidate.

[nmh]

"The state is not the tool Jesus uses to bring others to himself. "

Actually the state is a tool of His since those who run the state are fallible humans and INFLUENCE people. It is people that make up the state. It's actually easier for the state to influence people through LAWS rather than the church. If anything the church is becoming more apostate every day.

"It is you and I if you are a Christian. I am saying it is the Churches job. "

As I said, most churches are becoming apostate. It is our laws that punish and reward behavior - abortion, murder etc.. He'll work through who ever makes themselves available.

"Christ teaches us to take responsibility for change like he did. It is the easy way out to put the blame on the "STATE" The state is what it is.. it does not have Christs Holy Spirit. BUT you do. So who should be doing this great work to help women choose life?"

I see your point BUT you overlook the "state" is made up of people. Some may go to church and some do not. It doesn't matter. What matters is, is WHAT the person DOES with his/her moral views. Pass legislature that is Judeo Christian friendly or the opposite as in Roe v. Wade.

The Holy Spirit can be in anyone in any position - low or high, poor or wealthy. The Holy Spirit doesn't discriminate. So you ideally need ALL working together - the churches and the state with people voting for the Christian people.

Let me elaborate further without driving yo crazy ;) Way back when the country was started we had God fearing men and women. After settling they put righteous people in authority positions and this trickled down the Judeo Christian beliefs through laws. Churches taught the Bible and things worked fairly well. Today we don't have that as the norm anymore. Priests have problems and too many politiicans are corrupt hypocrites. They don't have "faith" in God but rather themselves and prefer their personal beliefs over Biblical teachings. So I don't heap all the blame on the church or the state. I blame individals and hope that maybe a few can IMPOSE some righteous law and order or our ever growing segment of perverts and other degenerates. The "church" is unable to IMPOSE anything.

[Jack Armstrong]

I used to be a practicing Catholic. But then one fine day- by the grace of God, the scales fell from by blind eyes. I realized I no longer need to "practice" being something for my outward flesh or for this world -{Catholic}- ....Now I'm born again by the blood of the Lamb, and no longer live behind the guilt & oppression of "man's religion". The question should be...
Can you continue "practicing" any chosen faith under the fist of popular Cali'liberal athiesism and post-modern anti-Christian socialism. GOOD LUCK with your state!

[chicagolady]

I had to add a little humor, but truthfully it would be considered a Governments job, ..not the churchs job to detain people who break the law.

A lot of my feelings stem from the church taking a look at what her mandate is from Christ, and do that job and let the government do it's job like uphold our constitution.

If we personally have not been out on street corners trying to intercept women who are going to kill their children Then I do not believe we have the right to point to politicians to do our job.
I love the Lord and like many fail miserable at the mandates Christ has given me.
Look at the state of our churches. We have not done a good job for the Lord, I would rather take the plank out of my own eye than point a finger at politicians.

[chicagolady]

Man, you really started something. :)

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

No, a practicing Catholic cannot in good conscience vote for a pro-abort candidate when there is a pro-life candidate running. Davis, Cruz and Arnold are all pro-abort alleged Catholics. Tom McClintock is a Baptist. This Baptist adheres to Catholic teaching more so than the other three. In this instance, Catholics should vote for the Baptist.

I pinged some others who might know the answer to this question. Does voting for a pro-abort incur some sort of sin on the part of the voter? Can this be construed as facilitating abortion?

[Texas Eagle]

I had to add a little humor, but truthfully it would be considered a Governments job, ..not the churchs job to detain people who break the law.

Did I say it was the church's job to detain people who break the law?

And how does that relate to the question at hand. That question being: Can a practicing Roman Catholic vote for Arnold Schwarzenegger with a clear conscience?

At least that's how I understood the question.

[chicagolady]

I think we've lost each other.

[Texas Eagle]

I'd say.

[amordei]

I think we've lost each other.

Haven't we though? Pro-McClintock v. Pro-Arnold on this site is every bit as bad as when we had a real enemy.

Anyways, back to the fight. Has anyone heard about how Arnold wanted to be thought of as a "savior like Jesus"? I saw that somewhere on the web and would like a bit more context, though I imagine the gist of the comment is on a par with his love for will-to-power heroes like Caesar, Hitler and Napoleon.

[BibChr]

Yep, suddenly guy's really active. And there's kind of this common thread, too.

[John Beresford Tipton]

"What Would Marion Barry Do?"

LOL,
Snort, Snort

What else do you expect?