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Can a practising Roman Catholic in good conscience vote for Arnold?
10/04/2003
| amordei
Posted on 10/04/2003 5:00:07 PM PDT by amordei
I would think not. Contrary to popular perception, states do have some latitude on abortion. However, I am interested in the thoughts of other RCs. Please, no flaming, just honest discourse. Thanks.
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To: OldFriend
Well said my friend!
To: calljack
No... McClintock is a perfect alternative..and if Arnold leaning Catholics vote pro life McClintock WOULD win.
I could care less about the fruits and nuts in California. They, like those of us living in "fool you too" New York, deserve everything they get fiscally.
They elected every tax and spend liberal and are getting everything they deserve.
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posted on
10/04/2003 5:16:00 PM PDT
by
Bob Eimiller
(Kennedy... Leahy... Moran... Kucinich........ any more Catholic abortion promoters?)
To: chicagolady
Are you saying Arnold has repented of something? If so what? Last I heard, which was this week he's still pro choice and a supporter of homos.
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posted on
10/04/2003 5:16:12 PM PDT
by
nmh
To: amordei
Can a practising Roman Catholic in good conscience vote for other practicing Roman Catholics in good conscience?
Teddy Kennedy comes to mind?
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posted on
10/04/2003 5:16:42 PM PDT
by
lonestar
(Don't mess with Texans!)
To: chicagolady
You kind of lost me ... if Arnold repented and admitted abortion and homosexuality is wrong, then WHYis he still supporting it publically? Is is an on and off kind of repentence?
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posted on
10/04/2003 5:18:06 PM PDT
by
nmh
To: nmh
The state is not the tool Jesus uses to bring others to himself. It is you and I if you are a Christian. I am saying it is the Churches job.
Christ teaches us to take responsibility for change like he did.
It is the easy way out to put the blame on the "STATE"
The state is what it is.. it does not have Christs Holy Spirit. BUT you do. So who should be doing this great work to help women choose life?
To: amordei; BibChr
Wow - here for 3 years, 2 minor posts two years ago, and suddenly you're posting anti Schwarzeneggar screeds.
Talk about a sleeper account.
To: amordei
Well, the first thing you would have to sort out is what is more important to you. Are you more concerned with money or a person's moral fiber?
If all you care about is money, then you should feel no guilt in voting for Arnold.
If sucking the brains out of babies moments before they are born matters to you, then you may have a problem voting for a man that it doesn't bother.
If promoting sexual behavior that shortens one's life and at the same time helps spread an incurable disease,then you may have a problem voting for a man who doesn't see a problem with that sort of behavior.
I would pray on it. Let the Holy Spirit be your Guide.
To: amordei; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; ...
If he accepts the Church teaching on abortion and fights for life, yes. Until then, no.
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posted on
10/04/2003 5:20:21 PM PDT
by
narses
("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
To: amordei
I have been thinking about this in more general terms recently, not just in relation to Arnold and the recall.
FWIW, There is some good analysis of the question in the latest edition of First Things.
Here is my current opinion.
It is clearly disobedient, and even a sin, for a Catholic Statesman to hold in public, and to act according to the holding, that abortion is a "right" or tostand for "choice." Accordingly, Davis, Bustamente, and Arnold are all in direct disobedience to the practical teaching of their Faith. [not to mention Ted K. and a host of Democrats in the Congress]
It has been, and continues to be, a dereliction of duty, IMHO, for their Bishops not to confront them with this fact. Davis has, in fact, been confronted somewhat like this in Sacramento.
For Catholic citizens to support such Catholics in an open and public way seems to me grossly unacceptable. It causes scandal.
Voting is private. So the scandal is less. But in this country, the fundamental political thought is, from the Founding, that the People is sovereign. So, in a way, we are all statesmen. Hence, unless there is grave reason to do otherwise, no Catholic should even vote for a pro-abortion "rights" candidate.
I am 55 years old. Before I die, I believe I will see the Church take the stance I have sketched in an open and public way. I believe it is the spirit of its teaching even now.
Peace be with you!
Richard F.
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posted on
10/04/2003 5:20:29 PM PDT
by
rdf
(co-chair of "yes on 209", GOP chair, Vta County CA, '92)
To: nmh
Are you saying Arnold has repented of something? If so what?
Sorry I was unclear, when he was accused of bad behavior with women he admitted it and said he was sorry.
The other issues I do not know about nor did I comment about.
To: amordei
Thanx
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posted on
10/04/2003 5:23:08 PM PDT
by
narses
("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
To: Chancellor Palpatine
Yawn.
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posted on
10/04/2003 5:24:37 PM PDT
by
narses
("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
To: amordei
Ask yourself these questions:
1) Why does Arnold want me to vote for him?
A)Is it because he wants to advance the causes that are near and dear to my heart?
B)Or is it because he wants me to help him advance the causes that are near and dear to his heart?
C)Which is more important to me? That which is near and dear to my heart or that which is near and dear to Arnold Schwarzenegger's heart?
Don't feel obligated to tell me how you answered these questions but if you want to, feel free.
To: amordei
Hypothetical: Let's assume that there was a Republican primary that was won by Arnold. In the subsequent election between Arnold and a Democratic candidate who would you vote for? Would voting for Arnold trouble you so much that you would not vote at all? Could you live with yourself if you voted for Arnold? Could you live with yourself if you didn't vote and the Democrat won? Answer these questions and you will know what to do on Tuesday.
To: Chancellor Palpatine
I posted a lot more during the McCain stuff 3 years ago and I am a lurker going all the way back to 1998.
I just can't believe a "conservative" news forum is pimping for Arnold.
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posted on
10/04/2003 5:26:31 PM PDT
by
amordei
To: opinionator
In a two way race when both are babykillers, the lesser of two evils is allowed. That is NOT the case in California today.
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posted on
10/04/2003 5:26:42 PM PDT
by
narses
("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
To: Texas Eagle
A)Is it because he wants to advance the causes that are near and dear to my heart?
yes! No Drivers licenses for Illegals!
To: opinionator
I should clarify. I do not live in CA. I was just wondering what other RCs thought. I myself am pretty clearly against Arnold. However, is it even reasonable for an RC to support Arnold?
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posted on
10/04/2003 5:28:27 PM PDT
by
amordei
To: chicagolady
Is that the only cause that is near and dear to your heart or are there others?
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