[betty boop]

Nothings personal here Betty. It's all just Gods business.

Just because I know how much you love Eric Voegelin, here's a little "teaser" from him, on the subject you raise, above:

"The good polis will become a nightmare when men forget that their existence has reality only as long as it enacts the dream-play of God."

The insight arises from certain problems in Plato -- who wasn't a Christian. Rather, Plato has been described as the greatest exemplar, perhaps even the apotheosis, of the Dionysiac soul.

tpaine, I know how much you really hate this stuff. Sorry, friend. I just find these ideas quite interesting myself. "Different strokes...." and all that.

[tpaine]

tpaine, I know how much you really hate this stuff. Sorry, friend. I just find these ideas quite interesting myself. "Different strokes...." and all that.
-bb-

Betty, -- you have no idea of how much laughter "this stuff" holds for me. I don't hate you or Vogelien, - indeed, I find the subject of 'belief' endlessly fascinating, as I have always had doubts about most everything.
"Different strokes...." and all that...