[DittoJed2]

You're absolutely correct. And one need not even be insane. Just get a little chemistry in the brain off as in depression and a person may not even be thinking bad thoughts but be in tremendous pain. That person's pain can also cause others pain though no action has been done by the others or by the person who is in pain. Reality as that which when you forget it causes pain is not an adequate definition. History doesn't cause pain, yet it is reality. The mere existance of creation doesn't either. Nor, if you forget something in creation does it necessarily cause pain. As you so often are, AndrewC, you're right.

[tpaine]

You guys are great at backslapping, but short on the logic of defining actions.