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Thanks for the info. I have two madrone trees that I planted. They grow very well, and are quite common in Bandera county. Most pines need some dirt to grow. The deepest soil on our property is not even a foot deep, and is only small pockets. Mostly, we are on exposed limestone bedrock. I only plant native stuff, because it is all that will grow.

I get a kick out of the townies who move here from SA, haul in dirt and plant St. Augustine grass. If it doesn't die in the cold the first winter, then it runs out of dirt and dies the next spring, but they just keep planting it again and again. One neighbor down the road has re-planted his an astonishing six times. Clueless...needs to call a landscape expert and let them tell him he might as well plant the stuff on a concrete slab covered with potting soil, water it in the summer until the soil washes away, then put it into the freezer for the winter.