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Two more rumors bite the dust (Ride home and torn clothing just not true, sources say)
The Vail Daily ^ | 8/4/03 | The Vail Daily

Posted on 08/05/2003 10:20:49 AM PDT by Smogger

Two more reports regarding the Kobe Bryant case circulating among part of the national media were debunked Monday.

Media reports that the 19-year-old woman who Bryant allegedly assaulted received a ride home is not the case, sources said Monday. Reports that her clothing was torn are also untrue, sources also.

Sources told the Daily that the alleged victim managed to get herself home by 11:50 p.m., June 30, after ending the shift at the Lodge at Cordillera at around 11:10 p.m.

They also said that while her clothing was disheveled and showed signs that something had occurred, it wasn't torn or ripped, as some reports indicated.

"Some of the reports made it sound like something out of a bad movie," said one source. "It wasn't like that."

The reports are part of a larger set of rumors and gossip that have been circulating across the country about the case. Among them:

- That the alleged victim was in the room two hours. It was only about 20 minutes.

- When she came down, she was hysterical. She was not. Sources said she was in a stupor and a state of shock.

- A few days before the incident, the alleged victim had accused another hotel worker of sexual harassment, getting him fired. Not true, said the man who was terminated. It was not the alleged victim.

Cameras in court

Eagle County Judge Fred Gannett ruled that not only is Bryant required to appear at 4 p.m. Wednesday, he also ruled Monday that there will be cameras in the courtroom.

Gannett denied a motion by Bryant's attorneys asking Gannett to reconsider an earlier order allowing one video camera and one still camera in the courtroom while Bryant is advised of the charges against him, and also advised of his rights.


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To: Howlin
Who said they didn't, but it's not quite the same, is it?

No, it isn't quite the same. A person with a mental illness may or may not have problems with perceiving reality and/or telling the truth. Many people with mental illnesses have no such problems. However, every adulterer (unless in an open marriage, which Bryant apparently is not, or he would not have to apologize to his wife) is a liar. That's the one obvious difference.

461 posted on 08/05/2003 11:34:50 PM PDT by Brandon
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To: Exigence
She will be. You can bet your house on that.
462 posted on 08/05/2003 11:34:54 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
No one person can possibly be as obtuse are you appear to be. Are you faking it?

I see your MO. When you can't answer a question, you just spew another of your many personal attacks. Again what is Rita's motive to deliberately lie?

463 posted on 08/05/2003 11:35:51 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Brandon
You're aren't overlooking the fact that lying and mental illness aren't quite the same, are you? Or are you saying lying is eqivalent of a mental illness?
464 posted on 08/05/2003 11:36:14 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Exigence
Don't tell me you're going to try to apply logic to this. Everyone knows celebrity trials are to be strictly decided on kneejerk emotions -- with a few racial issues thrown in for good measure. But logic? Unheard of...

D'oh! What was I thinking!!!??? ;)

465 posted on 08/05/2003 11:36:17 PM PDT by Brandon
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To: #3Fan
Rita's motive? RATINGS!
466 posted on 08/05/2003 11:36:59 PM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: Howlin
I hope you're applying that to the accuser in this case, too.

OH??? The accuser's been on television??? Another Howlin exclusive!!! What do your sources say, Rita?

467 posted on 08/05/2003 11:37:22 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (http://righteverytime.blogspot.com - home to Tall_Texan's new column.)
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To: #3Fan
If you can't figure out what her motive would be, you have no business being up this late chatting with adults who actually can use their intelligence to draw conclusions without somebody else having to give them the answers.
468 posted on 08/05/2003 11:38:01 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
She will be. You can bet your house on that.

So now we're to draw conclusions on what you think the victim will do in the future? The crystal ball system of justice?

Just a wild guess, but you aren't someone who makes his living with logic, are you? 'Cause if you are, I'm bettin' you don't have a house to bet.

469 posted on 08/05/2003 11:38:55 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: Howlin
She LIED Saturday night, flat out. Live with it.

How do you know she lied? I can think of several possibilities, and have no way to determine which one is correct at the present time:

1. Cosby made an error in the heat of the moment.

2. Cosby's sources made an error,

3. Cosby lied.

4. Cosby's sources lied.

5. Cosby is right, and the news report saying otherwise is a lie or an error.

What is your source of inside info that tells you that #3 is inevitably the correct answer?

470 posted on 08/05/2003 11:39:52 PM PDT by Brandon
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To: Howlin
I'd like to think we have some drinkers on board, because it's hard to believe the stupidity is genuine.
471 posted on 08/05/2003 11:40:17 PM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: Exigence
You don't have to draw a damn thing from one word I said; and if my posts bother you, I suggest you skip over them.

But whether you agree with them or not, I'm entitled to them.

And actually I'm sitting in a 3600 square foot house as I type -- and there are people here who can back that up because they've actually been here -- so you could say that at some point in my life I've been pretty damn successful using my brain.
472 posted on 08/05/2003 11:42:05 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Brandon
Randy Wyrick.
473 posted on 08/05/2003 11:42:47 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Tall_Texan
You're mistaken. I said I don't hang out with people who get drunk. Obviously, I have to work with some who do but I don't socialize outside of the office with them. And I never admitted to driving drunk. I admitted once to driving after having *a* drink. In YOUR mind, that was driving drunk. I never made any such admission because I don't believe I've ever been drunk - while driving or not.

If I remember correctly you are a non-drinker and you said you had more than one drink so being a non-drinker you certainly had a buzz which puts you in the same state of mind as a regular drinker with a higher tolerance who would blow a .08. And you said you felt guilty the next day which meant that you weren't in a state of mind when you drove to feel that way then thereby indicating that you indeed had a buzz. I remember my rebuttle to you shut you up in a hurry so maybe you shouldn't have reopened this flame war.

That's all I'm going to say because this thread is already verring off course and I don't want to contribute to further steering it away from the topic.

You've done enough already, that's for sure. It's bad form to start old flame wars on new threads that are unrelated to the topic of the thread.

474 posted on 08/05/2003 11:42:53 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: onyx
Evidently if you don't agree that Kobe should be hung at dawn, YOU have to undergo the inquisition.........LOL.
475 posted on 08/05/2003 11:43:38 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: onyx
Rita's motive? RATINGS!

So in a case like this, you have to lie to get ratings? Really?

Personally, I think there's enough substance as is to get ratings. I don't see the point of making it up and I have trouble buying that everyone that gets something wrong on a story with as many layers as this one is "lying." I'd say people that rush to that judgement may:
(1) Not make good jurors, and
(2) Are wont to practice hyperbole.

476 posted on 08/05/2003 11:44:08 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: onyx
Rita's motive? RATINGS!

So you're accusing her of deliberately lying for ratings. You Kobe supporters are vicious as hell when it comes to your worship.

477 posted on 08/05/2003 11:44:39 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Howlin
Evidently if you don't agree that Kobe should be hung at dawn

This also smacks of reckless hyperbole -- not usually a trait of thinking minds...

478 posted on 08/05/2003 11:45:23 PM PDT by Exigence
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To: Howlin
If you can't figure out what her motive would be, you have no business being up this late chatting with adults who actually can use their intelligence to draw conclusions without somebody else having to give them the answers.

In other words, you don't have an answer to why Rita would deliberately lie.

479 posted on 08/05/2003 11:45:35 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Tall_Texan
For some reason you guys don't seem to be willing to accept the fact that almost any statement YOU make about Kobe Bryant can be turned around on the accuser.

480 posted on 08/05/2003 11:45:43 PM PDT by Howlin
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