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You're confusing the notion of citizen--with rights of citizens, and human being--with rights afforded to human beings because they are in the species. You might want to rephrase, as in "When is a citizen NOT a citizen?" I have no problem with removing citizen rights from human beings that seek to kill and maim other citizens. I've often wondered if we treat heinous criminals too nicely. Would we keep a rabid dog around until its natural death, or dispose of it because of its potential continuing threat to citizens?

No, I'm not confusing citizen with human. I most specifically mean that the rights afforded to "humans" shouldn't be conferred simply because certain people are born with "hunman" genes, and look like most humans look. My point is that when humans act like animals, and the radical islamics have, then perhaps they DON'T qualify as humans and perhaps we should treat them collectively as rabid dogs, and eradicate them wholesale without hesitation or remorse.

Think of the crimes of these savages against their women and humanity: Genital mutilation, suicide bombers killing bus loads of children and women, two heavy airliners into the WTC, innumerable bombs and killings of people merely because they are of a different religion, or culture, sending children to comit suicide bombings, schools to teach hate and murder (not academics,) etc. How much can we suffer or tolerate before we finally say ENOUGH? Just because someone has chromozones like me doesn't mean he/she deserves the rights peaceful, compassionate people enjoy.

These aren't acts of civilized people, and we define humanity in far greater terms than merely in terms of genetic make-up, or likness to a "model" we call man and/or woman. You see, I struggle with the notion that these mad, manical muslims even deserve any more consideration than we would give a rabid dog. We slay rabid dogs on sight, without hesitation and then feel we've helped mankind, or at least the people in the immediate neighboorhood.

So, as these heinious acts mount, my sympathy and compassion diminish. Soon, I think I'll get to the point where I simply don't care how and when the rabid dogs are dealt with.

The problem with this discussion, and I started it reluctantly, is that it broaches subjects that some have already considered, and come to conclusions that trouble ordinary, peaceloving individuals -- myself included.