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I hope we all feel encouraged and free to speak in here. However, remember, this is a "public" forum, so be careful in the information you post.

1 posted on 05/22/2003 6:52:45 AM PDT by cherry_bomb88
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To: luckystarmom; Johnny Gage; annyokie; Corin Stormhands; Piltdown_Woman; not-an-ostrich; Risa
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Welcome all! Please feel free to ping other FReepers you know deal with this issue or would be interested in providing encouragement, resources and input.

2 posted on 05/22/2003 6:54:23 AM PDT by cherry_bomb88 (nothing of importance here, go on about your business)
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To: cherry_bomb88
I would recommend that you guys meet formally here to collect interest and then form a private Yahoo group also on the side where you can all talk to just each other about more personal stuff without being so public...

There is a chat room there for easy chatting, and no one can see anything unless they are approved in.

Just an idea.
19 posted on 05/22/2003 8:25:56 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: cherry_bomb88
What I understood from your intro in this thread is that you mean children who are labelled ADHD.. am I right? If so my hubby's cousin has a child that was labelled as that while very young and was real trouble for anyone to handle. I know life was hell for them for a while because he was just so intense all the time. They found a fix though. I know this sounds weird and most people here might not believe in this kind of thing but it worked for them. They took him to a kenesiologist (spelling is probably wrong.) They keep jokingly calling the guy a witch doctor. You find them through your local health food/hippie store. The guy found (through an odd procedure that is hard to explain but it was totally non-invasive) that the child was just allergic to some very common foods. They eliminated those foods (one was bananas I think) and he is now a *perfect* kid. He makes all A's, is laid back, and just so easy to get along with now. It was a shocking change in him. And it was all just caused by allergies to things doctors don't even check. Just an idea for those of you who may be desperate for anything that might help. Just be forewarned... these guys come off as real quacks but if you give them a chance they really may be able to help.
35 posted on 05/22/2003 10:37:25 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: cherry_bomb88
Hi cb! I was lurking on your thread the other night and am glad to see this.

My son is almost 11, diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome and we're transitioning to middle school in the fall. I'm dreading it, but trying oh-so-hard not to show it since he's anxious enough without my help.

The stupid middle school people invited the incoming 6th graders to a SCHOOL DANCE! They are 10 YO! My son was wanting to go (unusual for him), lots of kids seemed to be going and I fight myself to allow him to be involved in stupid stuff like this so that he isn't shut off or seen as even more dorky because of my opinions.

He asked a couple of "older girls" to dance, they looked at him like he had a disease, and he was crushed. Spent most of the night depressed in the bathroom. It didn't help much that his dad explained that it happens to every guy. I just HATE this!

40 posted on 05/23/2003 12:47:42 AM PDT by Dianna (space for rent)
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If you want to be off the ping list for this thread, please let me know

I was going to find information about "bipolars and special diets", but that's pretty selfish of me...there are so many of you parents with special kids that have other disorders & illnesses. So, I'm going to throw it open for that..... question/thought/discussion topic for today....Has anyone found a special diet that works to help stablize their child's disorder or illiness? (if you are a friend, or family member or if you're a caregiver please contribute what you've found to work)

I think this will be helpful to all of us.

43 posted on 05/23/2003 7:09:39 AM PDT by cherry_bomb88 (Half-truth, white lie, exaggeration, fib, story....it's still dishonesty no matter what you call it.)
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To: cherry_bomb88
Bump for later.
49 posted on 05/23/2003 10:05:47 AM PDT by bootless (Never Forget)
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To: luckystarmom; Johnny Gage; annyokie; Corin Stormhands; Piltdown_Woman; not-an-ostrich; Risa; ...
Memorial Day weekend humor!!!

Here's some humor to get you through the weekend. I am taking a much needed respite over night. I will talk to you all on Monday!

These jokes came from absolutelycleanjokes.com

About a year ago my sister, who lives in Virginia, was talking with her four year old son, Brent. He was asking her why all their relatives from Wisconsin talk funny and sound like their noses are plugged up.

"They think we have an accent," she replied.

"But they have an accent, right?", Brent asked. "They talk funny?"

"Everybody talks in different ways" she tried to explain. "To them, we sound like we talk very slow and all our words are d-r-a-w-n out."

His eyes got big, and he whispered seriously, "Oh, no. You mean they hear funny too?"

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A grade school teacher was asking his pupils what their parents did for a living.

"Tim, you be first. What does your mother do all day?"

Tim stood up and proudly said, "She's a doctor."

"That's wonderful. How about you, Amy?"

Amy shyly stood up, scuffed her feet and said, "My father is a mailman."

"Thank you, Amy" said the teacher. "What does your parent do, Billy?"

Billy proudly stood up and announced, "My daddy plays piano in a whorehouse."

The teacher was aghast and went to Billy's house and rang the bell. Billy's father answered the door. The teacher explained what his son had said and demanded an explanation. Billy's dad said, "I'm actually a system programmer specializing in TCP/IP communication protocol on UNIX systems. How can I explain a thing like that to a seven-year-old?"

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A guy goes in to see a psychiatrist. He says, "Doc, I can't seem to make any friends. Can you help me, you fat slob?"

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Three insane men walk out of a mental hospital hoping to escape. The first says, "If there's a high fence, we'll dig under it!"

The second says, "If there's a low fence, we'll jump over it!"

The third says, "Well, we're out of luck, boys--There is no fence," so instead they just went back to their rooms.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dr. Leroy, the head psychiatrist at the local mental hospital, is examining patients to see if they're cured and ready to re-enter society.

"So, Mr. Clark," the doctor says to one of his patients, "I see by your chart that you've been recommended for dismissal. Do you have any idea what you might do once you're released?"

The patient thinks for a moment, then replies, "Well, I went to school for mechanical engineering. That's still a good field, good money there. But on the other hand, I thought I might write a book about my experience here in the hospital, what it's like to be a patient here. People might be interested in reading a book like that. In addition, I thought I might go back to college and study art history, which I've grown interested in lately."

Dr. Leroy nods and says, "Yes, those all sound like intriguing possibilities."

The patient replies, "And the best part is, in my spare time, I can go on being a teapot."


56 posted on 05/24/2003 8:31:58 AM PDT by cherry_bomb88 (I'm normal....it's the rest of the world that's crazy!)
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To: cherry_bomb88
I think you are trying to set up those of us who disagree with your personal views on meds for failure. There are people who love and work with kids and who have experience that have come to other conclusions than you. I quote

"I FReep Mailed Jim Robinson to get his "blessing" on this thread. If you are die-hard anti-medication or don't believe these issues we face are real, please move along and don't come in here to chastize us or blame us or condem us. We have enough to deal with on a daily basis."

There are conservative minded folks that do believe that kids have real issues but that they are behavior issues not disorder issues. You might has well have said something like this. If you are one of those crazies who are not die-hard medication you need not darken the doorstep around here. I take care of 12 first through third graders as my profession as a houseparent at a boarding school and have came to a much different conclusion than you. I have worked this job for five years and love my kids. My kids have many behavioral problems but not one have I truly believed needed medication. Before this job I worked for five years in an adjudicated youth facility for gang members and kids in trouble. I saw many "labeled" kids jump three or four reading levels in one year with structure and discipline. Even after working with kids many others would say are heading straight to the pen I do not think one of those kids needed to be on meds. I am conservative and think that you need to welcome all views to your conversation as long as there is decorum. Maybe you will learn something.
62 posted on 05/25/2003 9:30:15 PM PDT by ocos
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To: cherry_bomb88; HairOfTheDog; All
I am going to enter in on this thread, as I find it quite interesting and fascinating...let me say upfront, I have had no problems with either of my boys, as far as being 'at risk' children...

What I find most interesting and refreshing about this thread, is that it has parents who are fearless, and unashamed to say, that yes, their child has a problem, that puts them at risk, here is what we have gone through, here is what we are facing now...and most refreshing of all, we do have to use medications, if so warranted...

If you would indulge me, let me tell you why I find this interesting and informative....my older boy, Mike, died many years ago, at age 15, from a rare and usually fatal type of leukemia...he lived for only 15 months with the disease, and during that time he was in the hospital for 8 months, and I was his primary caregiver, nurse, and whatever else I needed to be, when he was finally at home...

After he died, I remember burying him, and then seem to have gone into some sort of stupor, because can not remember anything else, until about a year later, when I was admited to a psychiatric wing of the hospital, where I spent a week...I was diagnosed with severe clinical depression...the doctor assured me, that I had probably been going on a downward swing toward depression for many years, and the death of my son just brought it to the surface...with or without my sons death, he felt I eventually would have manifested all the symptoms of depession sooner or later...I was put on meds(imipamine, an anti-depressant)and have lots of one on one meetings with mental health specialists...the counseling lasting for several years....

Eventually I tried to get off the anti-depressants, but when I did, I began the slow slide back into depression...so my own family doc, knowing my history, put me on Prozac...I am still on Prozac, and the few times we have tried weaning me off, have met with no success...so I feel that it may well be that I will be on Prozac for the rest of my life...

But so be it...the counseling and the anti-depessants, saved my sanity, saved my life, saved my marriage, saved my ability to care for my remaining child...

Yet, from the beginning of my diagnosis, I have always met opposition from people, who have no idea, what true severe clinical depression is, ,or how it can ruin your life, or cause you to commit suicide, if left untreated...I have had people tell me such cruel things as "Just pray, and if you just trust God, you will be cured"...or "just snap out of it, you son is gone, deal with it" or..."If you have to rely on anti-depressants, you must be weak"....there are always those who know nothing, yet pontificate on everything...

As I look back on my life, and having read alot about depression in its many forms, I have realized that my mom was not doubt, severely clinically depressed, ,and just never got treated...how else to explain her months on end of true sadness, her inability to cope with normal situations, her long, long 'blue'periods....I look at my moms mothers behavior, ,and believe she was manic....her extreme highs, and her extreme lows, and her often irrational behavior lead me to believe these things of both my mom and my maternal grandmother....

Am I a product of genetics, leaning towards depression, or did my sons illness and death, become the defining factor for me...I believe its a combination of the two factors...

When I was in group sessions in the hospital one gal brought up the most interesting point....she had been hospitalized more than once with depression...she said, you know, ,when you are absent from work for a hospital stay, you can return to work with a cast on your arm and explain you broke your arm...or say that you had surgery and show off your surgical scar...but when you brain malfunctions, how can you show that...how do you make people understand, that just as your body becomes ill or gets hurt, so can your brain and your mind become ill and get hurt...

And if people seem to think that meds are ok for pain from broken bones, or antibiotics to fight off infections, or chemo drugs for cancer, why do those very same people scoff at the idea that perhaps meds are needed for help the brain and the mind heal?

I salute and admire each and every mom here, who has an 'at risk' child, and is doing their very best to help their child, in whatever way that may be...I know, it must be hard, to go against those who scoff at the idea of using different meds for children who are 'at risk'...

Those of us who have never had an 'at risk' child in this sense, cannot fathom what you moms are enduring, and how much more difficult it may be, to raise you child...

I also think that keeping this thread going, in this particular FR forum, rather than on Yahoo Chat, is the better idea...simply because there are so many lurkers on FR, who altho they may not join the thread, are nevertheless reaping benefits from it, perhaps for their very own child....

And I would appreciate lurking as well...I have nothing to add, of any importance, or factual knowledge in this area, but like to keep myself informed of the newest areas of treatment and research in this area, because my younger boy, Andy, who is now 28, may someday present me with grandchildren, and who knows, perhaps a grandchild of mine, may be an 'at risk' child....it never hurts to have lots of information...

Thanks for letting me go on and on...and thanks in advance for not booting me, because I have no children in this situation...
71 posted on 05/26/2003 4:40:34 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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TWO TISSUE WARNING!!! The following story is worth the long read and super sweet! It came in my email today and thought it was perfect for today's post!

A Trucker's Story

I try not to be biased, but I had my doubts about hiring Stevie. His placement counselor assured me that he would be a good, reliable busboy. But I had never had a mentally handicapped employee and wasn't sure I wanted one.

I wasn't sure how my Customers would react to Stevie. He was short, a little dumpy with the smooth facial features and thick-tongued speech of Down Syndrome.

I wasn't worried about most of my trucker customers because truckers don't generally care who buses tables as long as the meatloaf platter is good and the pies are homemade. The four-wheeler drivers were the ones who concerned me; the mouthy college kids traveling to school; the yuppie snobs who secretly polish their! silverware with their napkins for fear of catching some dreaded "truck stop germ"; the pairs of white shirted business men on expense accounts who think every truck stop waitress wants to be flirted with.

I knew those people would be uncomfortable around Stevie so I closely watched him for the first few weeks. I shouldn't have worried. After the first week, Stevie had my staff wrapped around his stubby little finger, and within a month my truck regulars had adopted him as their official truck stop mascot. After that, I really didn't care what the rest of the customers thought of him.

He was like a 21-year-old in blue jeans and Nikes, eager to laugh and eager to please, but fierce in his attention to his duties. Every salt and pepper shaker was exactly in its place, not a bread crumb or coffee spill was visible when Stevie got done with the table. Our only problem was persuading him to wait to clean a table until after the customers were finished.

He would hover in the background, shifting his weight from one foot to the other,scanning the dining room until a table was empty. Then he would scurry to the empty table and carefully bus dishes and glasses onto cart and meticulously wipe the table up with a practiced flourish of his rag. If he thought a customer was watching, his brow would pucker with added concentration. He took pride in doing his job exactly right, and you had to love how hard he tried to please each and every person he met.

Over time, we learned that he lived with his mother, a widow who was disabled after repeated! surgeries for cancer. They lived on their Social Security benefits in public housing two miles from the truck stop. Their Social worker, who stopped to check on him every so often, admitted they had fallen between the cracks. Money was tight, and what I paid him was probably the difference between them being able to live together and Stevie being sent to a group home.

That's why the restaurant was a gloomy place that morning last August, the first morning in three years that Stevie missed work.

He was at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester getting a new valve or something put in his heart. His social worker said that people with Down Syndrome often had heart problems at an early age so this wasn't unexpected, and there was a good chance he would come through the surgery in good shape and be back at work in a few months.

A ripple of excitement ran through the staff later that morning when word came that he was out of surgery, in recovery and doing fine. Frannie, head waitress, let out a war hoop and did a little dance in the aisle when she heard the good news. Belle Ringer, one of our regular trucker customers, stared at the sight of the 50-year-old grandmother of four doing a victory shimmy beside his table.

Frannie blushed, smoothed her apron and shot Belle Ringer a withering look.

He grinned. "OK, Frannie, what was that all about?" he asked.

"We just got word that Stevie is out of surgery and going to be okay."

"I was wondering where he was. I had a new joke to tell him. What was the surgery about?"

Frannie quickly told Belle Ringer and the other two drivers sitting at his booth about Stevie's surgery, then sighed. "Yeah, I'm glad he is going to be OK" she said. "But I don't know how he and his Mom are going to handle all the bills. From what I hear, they're barely getting by as it is."

Belle Ringer nodded thoughtfully, and Frannie hurried off to wait on the rest of her tables. Since I hadn't had time to round up a busboy to replace Stevie and really didn't want to replace him, the girls were busing their own tables that day until we decided what to do.

After the morning rush, Frannie walked into my office. She had a couple of paper napkins in her hand a funny look on her face.

" What's up?" I asked.

"I didn't get that table where Belle Ringer and his friends were sitting cleared off after they left, and Pony Pete and Tony Tipper were sitting there when I got back to clean it off," she said. "This was folded and tucked under a coffee cup."

She handed the napkin to me, and three$20 bills fell onto my desk when I opened it. On the outside, in big, bold letters, was printed "Something For Stevie."

"Pony Pete asked me what that was all about," she said, "so I told about Stevie and his Mom and everything, and Pete looked at Tony and Tony looked at Pete, and they ended up giving! Me this."

She handed me another paper napkin that had "Something For Stevie" scrawled on its outside. Two $50 bills were tucked within its folds. Frannie looked at me with wet, shiny eyes, shook her head and said simply "truckers."

That was three months ago. Today is Thanksgiving, the first day Stevie is supposed to be back to work. His placement worker said he's been counting the days until the doctor said he could work, and it didn't matter at all that it was a holiday. He called 10 times in the past week, making sure we knew he was coming, fearful that we had forgotten him or that his job was in jeopardy.

I arranged to have his mother bring him to work, met them in the parking lot and invited them both to celebrate his day back.

Stevie was thinner and paler, but couldn't stop grinning as he pushed through the doors and headed for the back room where his apron and busing cart were waiting.

"Hold up there, Stevie, not so fast," I said. I took him and his mother by their arms. "Work can wait for a minute. To celebrate you coming back, breakfast for you and your mother is on me!" I led them toward a large corner booth at the rear of the room.

I could feel and hear the rest of the staff following behind as we marched through the dining room.

Glancing over my shoulder, I saw booth after booth of grinning truckers empty and join the procession. We stopped in front of the big table.

Its surface was covered with coffee cups, saucers and dinner plates, all sitting slightly crooked on dozens of folded paper napkins.

"First thing you have to do, Stevie, is clean up this mess," I said. I tried to sound stern.

Stevie looked at me, and then at his mother, then pulled out one of the napkins. It had "Something for Stevie" printed on the outside. As he picked it up, two $10 bills fell onto the table.

Stevie stared at the money, then at all the napkins peeking from beneath the tableware, each with his name printed or scrawled on it.

I turned to his mother. "There's more than $10,000 in cash and checks on that table, all from truckers and trucking companies that heard about your problems.

"Happy Thanksgiving,"

Well, it got real noisy about that time, with everybody hollering and shouting, and there were a few tears, as well. But you know what's funny?

While everybody else was busy shaking hands and hugging each other, Stevie, with a big, big smile on his face, was busy clearing all the cups and dishes from the table. Best worker I ever hired.

97 posted on 05/28/2003 5:10:55 PM PDT by cherry_bomb88 (I'm normal....it's the rest of the world that's crazy!)
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I need some opinions from all y'all....

I am "torn" on whether I "buy into" this rule that my daughter's adolescent day hospital program has/had:

They advise the kids that they cannot contact each other outside of group, even once they have completed the program.

Here's why I personally have problems with that; 1) The kids can relate to each other and often times form really great bonds (yes, I understand the "co-dependent" issues too) 2) They trust each other to accept them for who they are and not criticize them or divulge their secrets because they each know equally the inner secrets they hold 3) They know the other person can "understand" them.

I know the therapists concerns are if they go to the other person, they won't go to them...but I think that's poppycock.

Recent case example, a friend from my daughter's group who lives RIGHT by us ran away from home (unbeknownst to me) and ended up at my house. I woke up in the morning and she was here. Long story...but in the end, it was best, she had a place to go, I made sure the parents knew she was safe and she was here and they were glad she had somewhere to go with a loving family and one that could relate to her issues and give her a "safe haven" for a day or so while things cooled down.

Had this young girl not had a place to go where she felt people would understand, she might have turned to the streets, guys, etc.

What do you all think about this "rule" therapists like to impose?????

109 posted on 06/05/2003 8:56:06 AM PDT by cherry_bomb88 (Are you on the right side of the wrong issue or the wrong side of the right issue????)
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To: cherry_bomb88; Johnny Gage; annyokie; Corin Stormhands; Piltdown_Woman; not-an-ostrich; Risa
I had a very awful evening tonight, and I wanted to get your input.

Tonight, I went to a skating party with my kids that their school put on. Well, my 6 year old twins both had melt downs. There was a raffle, and one of the girls didn't understand that she probably was not going to get the doll that she really wanted. The other one lost a quarter for candy, and I didn't have another one. So, they both lost it, and they were both stinkers about getting into the car. A police car drove by just and I threatened to call the police if they didn't get buckled. They did get buckled up.

Well, then a few miles down the road one of my charming daughters starts throwing her shoes at me, and then she threw a hard plastic cup holder at me. It hit me in the head, and it hurt. Not to mention, we could have easily crashed.

I immediately called my husband and told him to meet us at a nearby McDonalds parking lot, and asked him to handle my charming daughter. We pulled into the parking lot, and I had my daughter get out of the car and wait for her dad.

Well, she starts really wailing and screaming and pounding on the door of the car. I'm just in the car not saying a word.

Well, this car starts hunking at us. Then the man from the car and starts yelling at me telling me that I am mentally abusing my daughter. I explain that she was throwing things in the car, and that her dad is on the way.

He then wants my driver's license (I didn't give it to him). Then he takes down my license plate and says he's calling the sheriff for metally abusing my daughter. He sees my daughter in the car (who is calm), and he says I'm mentally abusing her.

Of course, when this guy comes over I let my daughter in the car, and she is shut up.

He leaves, and a few minutes later my husband shows up.

Needless to say, I'm a little upset. My neighbor told me that next time, I should leave the car and let my daughter have her meltdown inside the car. I think I'll do that.

Now, I'm all worried that child protective services is going to be calling me up.

I can't believe I'm getting accused of child abuse when I'm not hitting my child and I'm not yelling at my child. I'm just trying to ignore her tantrum.
122 posted on 06/05/2003 10:28:07 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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Hey...was reading your profile off the recall Gray Davis post from tame to you and noticed your experiences in this area...thought you might like to join our thread!

We aren't always active, but we are "here"....please join us!!!

126 posted on 06/08/2003 8:16:17 AM PDT by cherry_bomb88 ("It's easier to fight for one's principals than to live up to them" ~Alfred Adler)
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