[Maelstrom]

As I said before I will say again...

...your interpretation...if it becomes too commonly accepted...will inevitably lead to another war. You are wrong, but I really hope you can learn the lessons of history and understand why your interpretation is a harbinger for war should the reasons for the war be forgotten in favor of your error or propaganda.

Your interpretation and insistence detail a nation that disallows any sovereignty of it's states AND disallows any sovereignty of it's citizens. It should be no great leap of logic, no surprise, nor should it have anything to do with any dark desire in recognizing how this throws the United States back into the heap of nations in history that succumb to internal revolt or becomes weakened internally to allow an external conquorer success.

Your interpretation has been rebutted time and again throughout your tenure here...the only fact of any import was the indisputeable fact that each of the seceding states was re-admitted into the Union after the war by legislatures chosen by Northern States.

That re-admission is an acknowledgement of those states' right to secede...an acknowledgement of the fact of their secession...an acknowledgement of it's legality...and an usurpation and end of states' rights under the Bill of Rights.

The success of the United States HINGES upon the limitations of it's government. IF people like you persuade enough others that those limitations are no more or that they can be avoided via modern interpreted loophole, the United States fails. I didn't post anything for which you should respond, your bin Laden buggering friend did.

The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

Congress of the United States begun and held at the City of New-York, on Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.

ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.

[WhiskeyPapa]

The success of the United States HINGES upon the limitations of it's [sic] government.

Of course it does, and the government is wildly out of control.

That has nothing to do with this sentiment by Chief Justice Marshall:

"The constitution and laws of a state, so far as they are repugnant to the constitution and laws of of the United States are absolutely void. These states are constituent parts of the United States; they are members of one great empire--for some purposes sovereign, for some purposes subordinate."

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

the only fact of any import was the indisputeable fact that each of the seceding states was re-admitted into the Union after the war...

Factually incorrect.

The question was not whether the states were to readmitted -- the Union position, stated plainly by President Lincoln in his first inaugural, was that no state could legally get out of the Union "on its own mere resolve."

The issue after the war regarded the seating of congressmen and senators.

If you read the Constitution, you'll see that each "house" is the sole judge of the qualifications of its members. The Congress refused to seat representatives from the former rebel states because they were oppressing the blacks.

You can look it up.

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

Your interpretation has been rebutted time and again throughout your tenure here.

There have been some pretty verbose stabs at it, but without much success.

Are you saying, for instance, that the insurgents DID have a major success (excepting Chickamauga) outside Virginia?

Did rebel armies not melt away through desertion? Did the rebel government not conscript a large portion of its army?

Walt