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(Vanity) Is John Lott still credible in arguing for CCW?
self | 4/20/03 | self

Posted on 04/20/2003 5:57:17 PM PDT by rudy45

Has the controversy over "Mary Rosh" and the controversial 98% figure (% of time crimes are averted by simply displaying a gun) affected his credibility? Or are these controversies merely distortions? Thanks.


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To: Beelzebubba
The above was posted at the following thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/874033/posts
21 posted on 04/21/2003 8:20:29 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("Democracy, whiskey! And sexy!")
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To: Beelzebubba
I like Lott's work but the last paragraph of his defense in Clintonian spin at its worst.
22 posted on 04/21/2003 8:24:31 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: m1911
Not to flog a dead horse, but this stuff is important:

and he picked up the 98% from "everybody knows".
No, he claims that this was the result of a telephone survey (since replicated), that he conducted with a handful of undergraduates for interviewers. Much was made of this on a couple of anti-gun blogs (thence in the media) in February of this year, amid claims that such a survey would entail a huge paper trail, including grant money, phone banks, etc. In point of fact, Lott always claimed that the survey was a shoestring effort, and involved only a couple of thousand subjects. Subsequently, a subject of that survey has come forward to offer corroboration. It would be better if this were more clear, but the evidence to date, IMHO, supports Lott, not his critics.

I first heard it three years ago, when it was being attributed to Kleck.

Kleck is the source of the statistic that 98% of defensive gun uses result in no injury to anyone -- perp or defender. The key difference is that Kleck's results include 'warning shots' and missed shots, as well as brandishing a gun. This is not necessarily inconsistent with Lott's results, since the basic design of the two studies has not been compared in the public literature (as far as I know): ie, it's possible that Lott defined defensive gun uses more liberally than Kleck did -- in either case, the results are not so far apart that study design can't account for the discrepancy.

Lott's work is particularly important, since his results have stood up to the most determined scrutiny. We can't allow a campaign of ad-hominem attacks to discredit the work itself, particularly when that campaign has substantially overstated the serious, and unproven charge of academic dishonesty, and made much of the proven, if embarassing charge, of making anonymous postings on a web site. (Yes, it's an example of poor judgement, but casts no light on his research.)

23 posted on 04/21/2003 10:16:26 AM PDT by absalom01
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To: absalom01
My bad, I hadn't seen anything on the replication of the survey. Do you have a link or something more I can search on? Right now Googling Lott gets nothing but the Brady bunch and their friends crowing over the demise of Lott's credibility.
24 posted on 04/21/2003 10:28:50 AM PDT by m1911
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To: m1911
This is ridiculous. If he made up a number, he should admit it; and if it came from someone else that he didn't check out, he should admit that. His original study is UNSCATHED, so I can't imagine why he would do this. In fact, the most recent paper I read from him had to do with the impact of voting rights of women on the size of the Fed. Gov.---nothing whatsoever to do with guns. I don't know why he would jeapordize previously stellar research with such dumb stuff.
25 posted on 04/21/2003 11:59:12 AM PDT by LS
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To: m1911
Here's the original FR post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/821579/posts

from january of this year. (originally linked from instapundit) You have to dig a bit, but following the links will give you a good idea of the origins of the survey controversy (this was before the Mary Rosh farrago hit the media). Seems to me that this was cooked up to coincide with the release of "The bias against guns", Lott's new book, but that IS a bit paranoid.

FRegards

26 posted on 04/21/2003 2:28:04 PM PDT by absalom01
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To: absalom01
Thanks!
27 posted on 04/21/2003 7:07:20 PM PDT by m1911
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