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To: Luis Gonzalez
YOu can Google all you want, Louis. The problem is, that most of what you see is doctored much longer after the fact. For about a month I was going to CAIR site, and nowhere was a condemnation I mentioned. In fact, they would say something, like "all forms of violence" and transit to the legitimate struggle in the Middle East. Hannity was almost torturing their leader to state a condemnation without ifs or buts. They would not.

The problem is partly Islamic and mostly Arabic. Whereas in Judaism and Christianity the right and wrong you commit do not depend on the religion of the receipent, in the ARab culture it is not the case. In essence, a lie to a non-Muslim is not a lie, sexual frivolities (including rape) against a non-Muslim woman is not a frivolity, etc. The loyalties are in decreasing order: to your tribe, to your confederation of tribes (country), to Arabs, and to Muslims. Thus, you should always support a member of the tribe against a member of another (no matter, almost, what your friend did). That is why an Arab will support another Arab against a Turk but a Turk against a Russian, for instance.

The Muslims here were caught in that net. They simply cannot acknowledge before an infidel that a Muslim was wrong.

HAving seen the backlash after few months, they got wiser, and your Googls search may indeed find something (the first few I read were conspicuously abreviated; the ad did not have a date).

I watched it happen without any prejudice. In fact, I fought with those who attacked Islam itself (to the point one poster told me to go back to "my country" and pray to my "moon God"). I was the one to post on FR the reply from Bush to the Turkish Association, primarily because the original letter sent to the White HOuse was so patriotic and so moving.

Yet, I as well as many others noticed the absence of unconditional condemnation from the Arab organizations in this country. They would begin with "Islam is against violence," and before the sentence is over, "... because of American policies in the Middle East."

Do your Googling again.

81 posted on 04/09/2003 7:40:50 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
First and foremost, CAIR is quite possibly the Wahabbis propaganda arm in the US, yet they too issued a condemnation. You must have missed it

I've been following this story since 9/11, and I saw the statements, I wondered why they did not make it to the mainstream media.

The easy way out is to take the attitude that whatever a Muslim may say that goes against our pre-conceived notion of all Muslims is a lie (how incredibly convenient), that's just not the case.

Go to this site, and read up on some of their documents on extremism.

There are hundreds of millions of Muslims living in the world today that would no more consider raping a woman, than you or I, the extremists wish us to see them all as they paint them...after all, bin Laden's goal is to start a world-wide religious war.

BTW, while 80% of all Arabs are Muslims, 80% of all Muslims are not Arabs.

84 posted on 04/09/2003 7:57:10 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: TopQuark
Or you could click here, if you have sometime to listen to my interview with Jamal Hoffman, of the Islamic Supreme Council of America earlier this year.
85 posted on 04/09/2003 8:06:02 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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