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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Since the quote I pulled is dated 1989, and the one you pulled is dated 1988, one could make the point that your quote is outdated in light of new evidence.

However, we can also pull the working definition of the theory of evolution straight off The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource.  It only goes back to 2001:

Working Theory of Evolution (contributed by Physicist)

At some finite time in the past, life began somehow. (How it began is beyond the scope of the theory, but the observational evidence strongly suggests that only one such beginning on Earth has left descendants to the present day.) As life reproduces and multiplies, mutations occur with small but finite probabilities, causing new genes to be added, and creating new alleles of existing genes. The different alleles confer different traits upon their owners, rendering them more or less successful in coping with their environments. The organisms that are more successful in coping with their environments consequently have a slightly greater probability of passing their genes to the next generation of organisms than do the less successful organisms. This causes allele frequencies to change over time.

Because mutations are random according to their probabilities, there is essentially a zero probability that two non-interbreeding populations will get the same set of mutations. (Even if they somehow do, there is essentially a zero probability that the frequencies of the alleles will end up the same in both populations.) The alleles and new genes available in each population will therefore diverge, with the result that the populations become genetically more distant from each other over time. Eventually, the two populations will become genetically so distant that they lose the ability to produce viable hybrids between them. This is the cause of the origin of species.


200 posted on 02/12/2003 9:42:36 AM PST by Junior (The New World Order stole your tag line)
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To: Junior
Since the quote I pulled is dated 1989, and the one you pulled is dated 1988, one could make the point that your quote is outdated in light of new evidence.

I suppose you could make that point, but it would be a very silly one.

201 posted on 02/12/2003 9:49:39 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode
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To: Junior
Working Theory of Evolution (contributed by Physicist)

At some finite time in the past, life began somehow. (How it began is beyond the scope of the theory, but the observational evidence strongly suggests that only one such beginning on Earth has left descendants to the present day.) As life reproduces and multiplies, mutations occur with small but finite probabilities, causing new genes to be added, and creating new alleles of existing genes. The different alleles confer different traits upon their owners, rendering them more or less successful in coping with their environments. The organisms that are more successful in coping with their environments consequently have a slightly greater probability of passing their genes to the next generation of organisms than do the less successful organisms. This causes allele frequencies to change over time.

Because mutations are random according to their probabilities, there is essentially a zero probability that two non-interbreeding populations will get the same set of mutations. (Even if they somehow do, there is essentially a zero probability that the frequencies of the alleles will end up the same in both populations.) The alleles and new genes available in each population will therefore diverge, with the result that the populations become genetically more distant from each other over time. Eventually, the two populations will become genetically so distant that they lose the ability to produce viable hybrids between them. This is the cause of the origin of species.

There are many problems with the above. The biggest though is at the end. Speciation is not evolution. To have evolution one needs greater complexity, new functions, new genes, new abilities. One cannot deny that a human is far more complex, has far more genes, functions and abilities than a bacterium. The above in no way explains that, speciation is no proof of that. There is also strong proof that selection cannot create speciation - dogs which have been selected for thousands of years from wolves, can still mate and produce offspring with wolves. This is a far more selective process than they would have undergone in millions of years of 'natural selection' and they are still one species with wolves.

219 posted on 02/12/2003 7:40:13 PM PST by gore3000
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