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Outraged KC Star columnist rips "The Two Towers" - too much disgregard for the text
The Kansas City Star ^ | December 22, 2002 | John Mark Eberhart

Posted on 12/23/2002 5:48:39 AM PST by The Iguana

Posted on Sun, Dec. 22, 2002

`The Two Towers' fails to follow best instincts of Tolkien's trilogy
By JOHN MARK EBERHART
The Kansas City Star

When a reader walks into a cinema, he walks hand in hand with risk.

Hollywood has a spotty record in adapting books to the big screen. Anyone who saw John Irving's A Prayer for Owen Meany get minced up into "Simon Birch" knows what I mean.

Before this diatribe officially begins, let me be clear: I think Peter Jackson's version of "The Fellowship of the Ring" is excellent -- which makes me wonder how in Middle-earth the director went so wrong with "The Two Towers," the second part of J.R.R. Tolkien's Lord of the Rings trilogy.

I do not expect films to parrot books; they are different media. I have learned to deal with disappointment over missing passages; films must be concise.

But when I walked out of the cinema after viewing "The Two Towers," I walked out seething. Jackson has wronged Tolkien fans with this manipulative corruption. What's so sad is that so much of the film is good: "The Two Towers" admirably depicts the epic battles, the gloom of Mordor, the fear that goodness is being shrouded in a fog of evil.

But "The Two Towers" makes two mistakes that are nearly unforgivable.

The two wizards

Stop.

Before you read on, know this: If you haven't seen "The Two Towers," you are about to encounter a couple of spoilers.

OK...ready? One of the reasons the book version of The Two Towers works so well is that it is a tale of two wizards.

The good wizard is Gandalf, who in the first book fell in battle with a demonic Balrog. Now he has been rekindled, only to face the evil of Sauron, the Dark Lord of Mordor. Sauron is seeking to find his lost Ring of Power, which would allow him to enslave all free people and rule over Middle-earth.

The bad wizard is Saruman, who once was good like Gandalf but now has fallen under Sauron's spell. Saruman has yielded to his lust for this most magical Ring. Gandalf, though, knows that even someone as learned as Saruman cannot wield this Ring. It represents absolute power; it will poison anyone who uses it.

In the first half of the book version of The Two Towers, the pivotal passage is Gandalf's meeting with Saruman. Gandalf's forces have bested Saruman's, and now the two wizards stare each other down at Orthanc, the tower at Saruman's fortress of Isengard.

In the mighty sweep of The Lord of the Rings, no scene enraptures me more than the one in which Gandalf breaks Saruman's staff. Gandalf punishes Saruman for taking the path of least resistance. Gandalf knows the war against Sauron can seem hopeless, but he will not brook the sin of Saruman's despairing hunger for the Ring:

"He raised his hand, and spoke slowly in a clear cold voice. `Saruman, your staff is broken.' There was a crack, and the staff split asunder in Saruman's hand, and the head of it fell down at Gandalf's feet."

Now that is a staff meeting. But Jackson has left this scene out of his film!

Why? So he can put it in 2003's "The Return of the King," the concluding movie. And why do that? Because otherwise, Christopher Lee, who plays Saruman, would have almost nothing to do in Part 3.

Jackson pumped up Saruman's part in "The Fellowship of the Ring," but that was OK. There are descriptions in that book of Gandalf tussling with Saruman, though they are presented as part of a tale Gandalf tells to Frodo the hobbit.

But this?

This is crass, unrepentant movie marketing.

Some may say, "So what? Jackson will let Gandalf rebuke Saruman in the third movie. Who cares?"

I do.

Tolkien himself wasn't happy about seeing The Lord of the Rings broken up into a trilogy. He preferred it be published as one mega-novel -- too expensive at the time, though such a version is available now.

But, for good or ill, the trilogy structure has become beloved of Tolkien fans. For half a century, they have debated the merits of each book. For my part, I think The Return of the King is the weakest, The Two Towers the strongest. Maybe that's one reason Jackson is saving some of The Two Towers for later.

But it's still wrong. Jackson has removed from Installment No. 2 the greatest face-off in the entire Lord of the Rings. After all, we never really see Sauron; he is a spirit. Saruman serves as his Evil Stand-In. Now we have a movie in which Saruman's orcs are defeated, in which the treelike Ents demolish his stronghold of Isengard...yet we are expected to wait a year to see Gandalf scold him?

Preposterous.

And it's antithetical to the spirit of Tolkien's books. Whether he knew it or not, Tolkien was writing a trilogy. The Fellowship of the Ring is very much Frodo's book. The Two Towers is Gandalf's. And the third, The Return of the King, is more about Aragorn, the dusty traveler who reveals himself as worthy monarch.

But back to those Ents...

The wrong branch

One of Tolkien's strangest characters is Treebeard, an Ent. And an Ent is a kind of itchy tree that can speak, walk and herd real trees around.

Treebeard hates Saruman because Saruman directs his orcs to kill trees to feed the furnaces of Isengard's war machine.

In the book, Treebeard calls his fellow Ent to an "Entmoot." They discuss whether to battle Saruman. They conclude they will.

But in the movie, Frodo's young kinsmen, Merry and Pippin, must goad the Ents into it!

Again: Preposterous.

I suspect Jackson was trying to give Merry and Pippin -- Dominic Monaghan and Billy Boyd -- more to do in film two. But handing them this role in their dealings with Treebeard is a violation of Tolkien. Merry and Pippin are young, spirited hobbits; they are not supposed to "grow up" until The Return of the King.

Worse, their nudging of the Ents diminishes the tree creatures. In the book, the Ents are the oldest thing in the world. They are elementals, Earth spirits, ultimately unknowable. The scene in which Pippin shows Treebeard a stand of dead trees is hooey. Treebeard is wise; he knows his forest. He doesn't need a hobbit to show him the way.

Actors and more

Peter Jackson is a good film director. After the first movie, I was ready to crown him Tolkien's greatest contemporary champion.

But how did he display such reverence for the books in his first film and such disregard in the second? For there are other things wrong with "The Two Towers": Much more material has been added than was added to "The Fellowship of the Ring."

Maybe it was the screenwriting. The first film's screenplay was credited to three writers, including Jackson. "Towers" is credited to four. In filmdom, there's a rule: The more the writers, the more monkeyshines.

Is the new writer, Stephen Sinclair, to blame for us enduring a cheap gag about dwarf women having beards? Is he the one who decided to have Frodo not just detained in Gondor but threatened? Did he conjure the gratuitous shots of the weeping children of Rohan?

I don't know.

But I do believe Jackson himself has caved in to the forces of commerce on this film. Yes, Christopher Lee is a fine actor; his Saruman is superciliously wicked. But to put off his clash with Ian McKellen's Gandalf until the last film is a piece of grandstanding that grates upon me.

Fortunately Jackson has a chance for redemption. But "The Return of the King" had better be dynamite.

This is the age not only of the big screen but of the DVD. I suppose I could stop bleeding if, sometime in 2004, I could own all three movies on DVD and watch them as I please -- you know, view "The Two Towers," then pop in 20 minutes of "The Return of the King," then go to bed, smirking to myself that I saw 'em my way.

Yet I still feel cheated. "Towers" could have been a monumental film, not merely exciting.

That's OK, though. I have three good ways to heal myself.

They're standing on my bookcase.

To reach John Mark Eberhart, books editor, call (816) 234-4772 or send e-mail to jeberhart@kcstar.com.


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To: BradyLS
OK, I can accept "I had a good time at the movie" for now... but it would have been better if you would have said "I was completely wrong and you are completely right"!

HA! - Just kidding! :~D
41 posted on 12/23/2002 5:55:45 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom; Alkhin; Anitius Severinus Boethius; AUsome Joy; austinTparty; Bear_in_RoseBear; ...

Ring Ping!!

42 posted on 12/23/2002 6:46:33 PM PST by ecurbh
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To: The Iguana; ecurbh; Dark Wing
I agree about Treebeard, and would throw in Faramir. My wife and No. 2 son are really upset about Faramir - Leo refuses to see TT a second time.

Most of the rest of this review appears to be sour grapes at artistic decisions to make TT fit into a different medium. People can quibble about Peter Jackson's decisions on the latter, but he had to make them.

He could have portrayed the Ent's decisions, and Treebeard, differently within the same time limit. Ditto for Faramir.

I hadn't caught the new writer. That might be the reason for so many wrong decisions in TT as opposed to FOTR.

43 posted on 12/23/2002 8:37:11 PM PST by Thud
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hello HOTD,

Thought I might post the letter I fired off to Eberhart this evening.

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Hello John,

Though you have no doubt received some correspondence on the subject already, I feel compelled - as a fellow Tolkien fanatic (and Star grunt) - to toss in a few comments of my own in regards to your column Sunday (December 22, 2002) in the Arts section entitled, "`The Two Towers' fails to follow best instincts of Tolkien's trilogy."

Having been deeply immersed in all things Tolkien since my early teens, I feel every single deviation from the books by Jackson's trilogy keenly. It has necessitated some real effort to detach myself to give myself a reasonable chance to enjoy the movies. The moment that it became apparent that the Crickhollow scheme had been tossed aside on my first viewing of FOTR, I was off my stride. Having said that, I have to say: don't get carried away here.

As I understand it, your objections to the liberties taken by Peter Jackson in The Two Towers amount essentially to this:

1) The confrontation between Gandalf and Saruman at Isengard has been either deleted or moved back to The Return of the King.
2) The Ents only march on Isengard because the Hobbits goad them into it.

And further: that Jackson must have made these (and other?) changes for crass commercial reasons.

In regards to the first: I think Jackson's decision to defer the confrontation is defensible, perhaps even preferable. Mainly this is due to the nature of the film media vs. that of the book. A great deal more compression is needed to convey story arcs on the screen, and a filmmaker does not have the luxury that an author does with narrative exposition to explain background, character, and motivations. More important even than that, however, is the difficulty of story climax. And in regards to the Aragorn-Legolas-Gimli story arc, the key climax - indeed, of the whole movie - was the Battle of Helm's Deep. Given that, any further dragging out of the arc after the battle risked a serious letdown. Filming "The Voice of Saruman" in even the briefest fashion risked making it seriously anti-climactic, no matter how well it might be scripted. It also risks diminishing the power of Helm's Deep, as surely as Viggo's retracing of the Hobbits' escape had me half expecting him to blurt out, a la Prince Humperdink, "Iocaine powder - I'd bet my life on it!"

In the book Tolkien marinates in the slow steady (and wonderful) progression of the story arc for a full four chapters after Helm's Deep ("The Road to Isengard," "Flotsam and Jetsam," "The Voice of Saruman" and "The Palantir"). Even allowing for severe compression you're still talking about some serious extension of the story arc, which adds in the difficulty as well of scrounging up the needed screen time to convey it while adhering to New Line's three hour diktat. Tolkien had no time limits, or the need to structure his climax at the end of each book, especially given that he really viewed it as one long epic divided into six books. Nor did he need bother with intercutting the story arcs, as Jackson was more or less compelled to do.

It is a bit of a disappointment not to wrap up the Saruman storyline before diving into the action in Return of the King (to say nothing of missing the wonderful cliffhanger possibilities in the Shelob confrontation), but it's just hard for me to see how either could have been incorporated into The Two Towers without introducing too many climactic moments into the movie and also ratcheting the running time well over three hours. Even if we whack some of Jackson's "embellishments."

In regards to the second: Jackson's liberty with the Ents seems on reflection a much more minor tweak to the story than it appears at first glance.

Certainly in the book the Ents decide at the Entmoot to go to war. Jackson has them deciding against it, which no doubt threw every purist in the audience into an initial tizzy. I know I was spewing popcorn.

Yet what is clear is that either way, Merry and Pippin were responsible for the decision taking place - at least in the time and place and fashion that it happened. Tolkien leaves absolutely no doubt about this during Gandalf's talk with the Three Hunters in "The White Rider" chapter:

...They were brought to Fangorn, and their coming was like the falling of small stones that starts an avalanche in the mountains. Even as we talk here, I hear the first rumblings.

...Saruman also had a mind to capture the Ring for himself, or at least to snare some hobbits for his evil purposes.So between them our enemies have contrived only to bing Merry and Pippin with marvelous speed, and in the nick of time, to Fangorn, where otherwise they would never have come at all!

...and Fangorn himself, he is perilous too; yet he is wise and kindly nonetheless. But now his long slow wrath is brimming over, and all the forest is filled with it. The coming of the hobbits and the tidings that they have brought have spilled it; it will soon be running like a flood; but its tide is turned against Saruman and the axes of Isengard.

What Jackson does is another bit of compression. The destruction of so many trees near Nan Curunir is a proximate cause of Treebeard's wrath in both book and movie; in the book he is already aware of and very angry about the destruction, but what he does not know, until the hobbits give him further ntelligence, is how much Saruman is behind it all. Conveying all that on screen as Tolkien did (through expository dialogue) could be done but it would take more time, and it would also be more tedious. Jackson moves Treebeard's learning of the destruction back by way of Pippin's gentle trick, which adds visceral impact to the decision and his anger.

Would I have done it this way? Honestly I don't think I would have thought to do so. But perhaps I would have made a less compelling movie than Jackson has as a result. I confess I'm dying to hear Jackson et al's commentary on these decisions when the DVD comes out.

As to the question of motivations: I can't really speak to that. Save to say that I have to think that commcerial motivations would be (I think) if anything of greater import in making the first film, when the stakes were so high and Jackson's work so unproven. I find it hard to believe that he didn't have greater creative flexibility on the subsequent movies once the blockbuster status of the first was assured. Of course one might argue that he merely felt more flexibility to annoy the purists. If so I'll have to lay his brew under an enchantment of surpassing flatness for seven years.

So in retrospect I think these moves that bother you are at least defensible. My quibbles (once I recovered from my shock) were smaller, the chief of which were: the decision to cast Faramir as a kind of Boromir Lite, determined to take Frodo back to Gondor until a sudden conversion after hearing Sam's speech; and the suggestion that rushing to Helm's Deep was an unwitting trap on Theoden's part, rather than the shrewd strategic move suggested by Gandalf in light of the Mark's inability to fully muster its troops for a field battle in time. In regards to the first I actually enjoyed the diversion to Osgiliath, given that it gave me a look at the wonderful ruins sets of Gondor's long-abandoned capital, as well as the opening stages of Sauron's assault - but I would rather have seen Faramir at least evidence some signs of inner turmoil over what to do with the Ring. It would have made his character more fleshed out as well as make his ultimate decision more credible.

But those are nitpicks. Even given that this is just one man's (or three/four writers?) distillation of the tale, it is hard to argue that Jackson has done fundamental violence to the essence of the story so far. I'll add as well that some of this thought (as with the first movie) has blossomed on a second viewing. None of it detracts like I feared it would from what is by most measures an astounding achievement.

"So far." I had better knock on wood just to be safe.

Best holiday wishes to you and yours.

Best regards, --

44 posted on 12/23/2002 9:38:28 PM PST by The Iguana
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To: Thud
I agree about Treebeard, and would throw in Faramir. My wife and No. 2 son are really upset about Faramir - Leo refuses to see TT a second time... ...He could have portrayed the Ent's decisions, and Treebeard, differently within the same time limit. Ditto for Faramir.

And isn't it a shame? It didn't have to be that way. I've got a FReeper who's mad at me beacuse I've poked some fun at the film. Sam's speech at the end really got to him and my fun is tearing down the movie. Jackson and Co. have decided to trim out and re-invent all sorts of things that sincere fans of the book love and, well, we "purists" just have to accept that we're not going to get that.

I think it's pretty raw that after acceptinging cut out segments, doubled characters, line switches, and whole-cloth fabrications, we must now also accept smart characters being stupid and good characters being bad.

45 posted on 12/23/2002 11:49:29 PM PST by BradyLS
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To: BradyLS; All
Seems to me that the gripes being aired here are about the editing department of New Line. Now, let's be patient, they shot about 18 hours of film for this movie right? Chances are they will release it all at some point, because there are dollars to be made. Lot's of coins had to be flipped to compress this thing into a trilogy in the first place. And really, aren't they really five books compressed into three anyway?
46 posted on 12/24/2002 5:16:44 AM PST by ovrtaxt
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To: The Iguana
The more I've thought about my position on this, the more I believe that it is correct. Tolkien set out to establish a mythology for Britain. He has suceeded. Middle-Earth is now, with these movies, a true myth. The main story in the myth is now two thirds of the way from being completely retold. Myths do not follow a specific series of words upon retelling, they follow the general story and are retold with different words. Jackson's version of this story is a simple retlling of the myth (which Tolkein wanted!) in his own words, or his own vision.

It doesn't matter if Faramir seems like a meany, it only matters that he captures Frodo then breaks the laws of the land to let him continue his quest. Tolkien told the story one way, Jackson told it another, but the basic story is the same.

The Ents meet Merry and Pippin, have an Ent-moot, and decide to attack Isengard. Tolkien tells it one way, Jackson another.

Theoden heads to Helms Deep, Saruman traps him there, the armies of Saruman breach the ancient fortress, the men of Rohan fight bravely, they are rescued at dawn by forces unlooked for. Tolkien this way, Jackson that way.

Keeping the story the same but changing the details does not ruin the myth.

47 posted on 12/24/2002 8:33:58 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Lil'freeper; HairOfTheDog
Right, Gimli doesn't say in the movie that dwarf women grow beards, and neither does Aragorn. He merely suggests it is the beard that disguises them from dwarf men, and doesn't elaborate whether they are real or fake.

It was an important scene, and necessary to condense the development of a relationship between Aragorn and Arwen. After all, a man who can make a woman smile at such a desperate and dreary time as that has made it half-way to her heart already, right? Works for me. ;^)

Peter Jackson knows what he is doing, I think.
48 posted on 12/24/2002 11:50:44 AM PST by My back yard
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To: Sabertooth
The divisions between the books are artificial. Tolkien wanted the story published in one volume -- the publishers insisted on three. Moving the end of the Two Towers to the beginning of the third film is not a departure from Tolkien's story.
49 posted on 12/25/2002 6:00:04 PM PST by John Farson
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To: BradyLS
I was never so disappointed in a movie as I have been with The Two Towers. Perhaps it is because Fellowship of the Ring was so well done. I'll only see Two Towers once and I'll wait to buy the extended version of the DVD just to see their reasoning for deviating from Tolkien's book so much.

My son's favorite character is Faramir. In fact, he gave him a nickname, Five Day Faramir. Because he admired Faramir's ability to turn a certain young maid's heart from the king in so short a period of time. The Faramir of the book has the gentle honesty, wisdom, guile, and insight to look into a woman's heart and say what she needs to bring her back to life. One could easily see the book Faramir as a prince. The character of Jackson's movie hasn't shown any of these qualities. I could go on with Faramir but there is just too much wrong.

Faramir is the biggest disappointment. Other disappointments are the Ents, the Elves at Helms Deep, all the extra added unnecessary scenes, the exorcism of Theoden, Osgilliath -- otherwise known as they've taken Frodo and Sam where? A Nazgul nearly taking the ring, being shot with one arrow and going away without the ring? There is just too much wrong. I don't think I could sit at the computer long enough to share all the reasons for my disappointment with this movie.

But, I've finally realized why I'm so upset by the change to Faramir; the demeaning and downgrading of his character is the most glaring evidence of the problem they have with some of the characters. Most are somewhat different from the book, but I could live with many of the changes because I believed that they would somehow be "corrected" in later movies. Besides, Fellowship was such a good movie that I suspended my cynical side and I felt that the changes were minor compared to what was on the screen.

But in the Two Towers, there was not enough good to overcome all the bad. Even what I thought I could live with before, now begins to concern me. For example, Aragorn should be acting more kingly by now and where's Anduril? The shout that he makes holding that sword at Helm's Deep was a turning point for me in the book. Yet his behavior is still that of a Ranger. By the time he takes the Paths of the Dead he has to appear as a leader of men, not a mere ranger. Why else would they follow him? Leaving the bulk of that transformation for the last movie and leaving Anduril to show up until the last movie points to something I'd hoped never to see -- a He-Man, hold up the sword, say the magic word, transformation. I'll laugh out loud in the movie theater if I see it in Return of the King. I don't think they'll mean that scene for comic relief though.

I'm sorry. I know that many people just love seeing something of the book finally reach the screen. I just feel sorry that so many will miss seeing the absolutely wonderful characters and events Prof. Tolkien originally created. They are masterpieces.



50 posted on 12/26/2002 1:49:27 AM PST by Waryone
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To: Waryone
I saw the movie on Christmas Eve and found myself going back to my house, grabbing the book and "trying to find" some the "embelishments". The whole "Ent" thing left me saying, "Uhhhhhh......what!?" No need to change that whatsoever. The Elves arriving at Helm's Deep bothered me too. And I dont remember Aragorn falling off the cliff. What was the point of that?

I liked the movie, and I know that some changes were made for time considerations, but I see no need for some of the changes.

51 posted on 12/26/2002 7:09:38 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: Waryone
I'm sorry. I know that many people just love seeing something of the book finally reach the screen. I just feel sorry that so many will miss seeing the absolutely wonderful characters and events Prof. Tolkien originally created. They are masterpieces.

So many will miss it? So many MORE people will know it than would have if the films had never come out. Many adults are reading it for the first time, or re-reading it after many years. And a whole new generation is reading those books now. Sales of the books are SOARING. The film sparked their interest, and they can read the books now and find how much more there truly is. The movie has shown us wonderful images of the highlights. The books do the rest.

52 posted on 12/26/2002 7:33:18 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Waryone
I was telling a friend the other day that we don't want to merely like something that we are pre-disposed to love. Like you, I was able to set aside my desire to love Fellowship of the Ring until it proved itself. And so when that film turned out to be so good, I had every reason to believe that Towers would follow in its tracks.

For more times than readers want to hear, I'm sure, I was bowled over by the film up until the point of Edoras when Gandalf leaves on Shadowfax with the omen to seek him of the morning of the fifth. After that, the licenses taken really begin to show and we're treated to what disappointed us.

I agree with your point about Aragorn's lack of noble bearing. He still acts in this film as he did in the first. He's a swashbuckling hero, certainly. But a future king? We'll see.
53 posted on 12/26/2002 9:47:51 AM PST by BradyLS
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To: HairOfTheDog
I agree and I'm so happy that some will take up the book and read it. I was one of those who read it for the first time with my son before seeing Fellowship of the Ring. But, we are the exceptions. Most who see the movie will never bother to pick up the book. Some of the young children who have seen the movie may someday read the book and be bothered because it's not like the movie.

This concerns me because there are already people -- mostly young, who argue that Lord of the Rings stole from Star Wars. We live in a society today that has little sense for what they haven't seen in moving pictures. And, if they've seen it, they believe that's the way things are. The impression has already been made on their minds. It will be very difficult for them to accept the amazing depth and follow the importance of Lord of the Rings as Tolkien wrote it. That's my lament, for what it's worth.

54 posted on 12/26/2002 11:29:59 AM PST by Waryone
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To: Waryone
But even those who never pick up the books know more about it than they would have before, and the truth is, more people have read it than would have without the films giving the story a huge new fanbase, and many have wanted to go to the next level.

The film brings the books a net gain. And we are all better for that. Indeed, the glass is half full.
55 posted on 12/26/2002 11:34:45 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
You've made the best comment. Tolkien's goal was to establish a mythology (not a pseudohistory) that he hoped others would contribute to. He succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.

As a Tolkien fan for thirty years I am acutely aware of every deviation Peter Jackson has made from the canon. And you know what, I don't care. It's Jackson's story, not Tolkien's.

The most interesting change, in my opinion, is where the grief of Arwen at the death of Aragorn (in the book put in an appendix) is incorporated into the story, and used to explain her breaking of her engagement. That makes Eowyn a serious romantic rival. It will be interesting to see how it is handled.
56 posted on 12/26/2002 6:08:01 PM PST by Alain Chartier
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
" The Ents meet Merry and Pippin, have an Ent-moot, and decide to attack Isengard. Tolkien tells it one way, Jackson another."

The fundamental thing about "Lord of the Rings" is that it is a Christian and Catholic work. It is a myth about truths. Tolkien tells Christian truths, Jackson doesn't.

The Ents are one area where Jackson does a thorough trashing of Tolkien.

Tolkiens Ents thoughtfully and prudently decide to go to war. They go to "Just War".
"Of course, it is likely enough, my friends,' he (Treebeard) said slowly, "likely enough that we are going to our doom; the last march of the Ents. But if we stayed at home at home and did nothing, doom would find us anyway sooner or later. That thought has been long growing in our hearts; and that is why we are marching now. It was not a hasty resolve. Now at least the last march of the Ents may be worth a song."

Jackson on the other hand has his Ents decide not to fight. Merry diverts them toward Isengard which gives them a reason to fight; revenge. For revenge they take up the battle. To fight for revenge makes them no better than Saruman.

LOTR is about good versus evil. It's about the nature of good and it's allies (the virtues) and the nature of evil and it's allies (the vices). Good can only overcome evil if correct actions are motivated by moral reasons. The interior qualities count. Tolkien would never have Ents defeat Saruman by acting out of revenge.
57 posted on 12/26/2002 7:13:48 PM PST by Varda
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To: Alain Chartier
As a Tolkien fan for thirty years I am acutely aware of every deviation Peter Jackson has made from the canon. And you know what, I don't care. It's Jackson's story, not Tolkien's.

I ask, if Jackson wants to tell his own story, why does he reach for Tolkien's Lord of the Rings to tell it?

58 posted on 12/28/2002 2:27:54 AM PST by BradyLS
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To: Varda
Tolkiens Ents thoughtfully and prudently decide to go to war. They go to "Just War". "Of course, it is likely enough, my friends,' he (Treebeard) said slowly, "likely enough that we are going to our doom; the last march of the Ents. But if we stayed at home at home and did nothing, doom would find us anyway sooner or later. That thought has been long growing in our hearts; and that is why we are marching now. It was not a hasty resolve. Now at least the last march of the Ents may be worth a song."

Jackson on the other hand has his Ents decide not to fight. Merry diverts them toward Isengard which gives them a reason to fight; revenge. For revenge they take up the battle. To fight for revenge makes them no better than Saruman.

Thanks, Varda. It's always a treat so see other FReeper's weigh in for Tolkien's defence. I can a accept a thumbnail character sketch of Tolkien's creations when time won't allow for a carefully rendered portrait. I'm sorry that Jackson decided to substitute some important portraits in Tolkien's story with crude cartoons instead.

59 posted on 12/28/2002 2:36:07 AM PST by BradyLS
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