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To: BradyLS
True enough, but Arwen replacing Glorfindel was something that did not happen in the books, and it worked. Granted, the Aragorn "death" was a total change, but it was used to work in material from the Arwen relationship, which is in the books. And the warg attack was something that could have happened in the books, but been ommitted for editing reasons. Likewise, the trip to Osgiliath was not in the books, but it works in material and dialogue that were in the books, and ties it together thematically with what is going on in Gondor, which the viewer would otherwise be unaware of. I suspect that PJ's changes will make a lot more sense once we have seen ROTK and can judge the series of movies as a whole.
39 posted on 12/23/2002 11:59:42 AM PST by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
True enough, but Arwen replacing Glorfindel was something that did not happen in the books, and it worked.

That is an example of where "that happened, but not quite like that." Glorfindel was replaced by Arwen. I can handle that.

Granted, the Aragorn "death" was a total change, but it was used to work in material from the Arwen relationship, which is in the books.

Yes, that material is in the books, and I'm glad to see it. But Aragorn's absence had consequences to the story. Now Legolas, Gimli, Theoden, and Eowyn have to spend time remarking on his absence (which didn't happen in the books) and going over the issues of doubt and rekindling one another's hope (that didn't happen in the books, either. At least, Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas had great faith, having seen Gandalf returned to them.) Aragorn could have dreamed about Arwen anytime he slept between Edoras and Helm's Deep. Even on the eve of battle. That's an example of "That didn't happen. At all." And that is much harder for me to accept.

And the warg attack was something that could have happened in the books, but been ommitted for editing reasons.

Well, a Warg attack did happen in the books. To the Fellowship on the way to Moria. That could have been placed in the DVD. I didn't mind seeing it as a part of Tolkien's story per se, but it did eat up time and served only to set up the disruptive and questionable necessity of the Dream Sequence.

Likewise, the trip to Osgiliath was not in the books, but it works in material and dialogue that were in the books, and ties it together thematically with what is going on in Gondor, which the viewer would otherwise be unaware of.

But you missed another disruption: Sauron knows where the Ring is and who has it. It will take some new tale-telling (re-writing Tolkien's story) to make him believe that Aragorn has it (or will have it)

I suspect that PJ's changes will make a lot more sense once we have seen ROTK and can judge the series of movies as a whole.

But Tolkien already handled all those issues. Peter didn't have to change or invent parts of the story to account for those things. I don't deny that Jackson will create a rousing Return of the King. But it's no longer Tolkien's story that we'll be enjoying in 2003. It'll be Jackson's own conclusion to Tolkien's story.

42 posted on 12/23/2002 12:48:46 PM PST by BradyLS
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