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Ruthy, when the Hobbit Hole first started, there were problems with Carton and has been off and on all this time. So to say we all had a great friendship here is not entirely accurate...I don't recall the last time I responded to one of Carton's posts. She left a negative impression on me back in the New Zealand Hobbit Hole, we never shaped a friendship.

I suspected and then realized that she had started in on Rosie over the spam business. To think that Rosie, a veteran that served this country, who has been through so much this last year...this young woman the "regular" Hole dwellers have been supporting since the death of her mother should be even spoken to disrespectfully by Carton was just more than I could stand for. And Carton does have an MO...stir up, offer empty apologies, never accept fault, "it was all a bit of fun". I've seen it over and over. She can speak vulgarly to me all she likes, I expect nothing less. And could care less about her thoughts on me. Gee, I haven't been so insulted since...hmmm...high school?

But I, for once, felt her treatment of Rosie deserved defending. I only regret it took me over 100K posts to finally do it...but I have a short fuse, you know.

I'm a good friend to those who are good friends to me. Carton never has been. Corin used to be, for my part. That ended weeks ago, when I asked him to "take back" what he said about my post about g'nad's baby. He basically told me what I could do with it. It was too much to ask of him. Apparently he felt he ought to be able to say whatever he wanted to on the thread, he had no concern for our friendship then.

Then to blame in on Becky...I barely knew Becky weeks ago, when I sat here with tears running down my face, reading Corin's response to my request. I realized I'd lost a friend, and wondered if I'd ever really had one. I also realized then that Entmoot was never gonna happen for me. But for all my short fuse, I kept it to myself...until last week, when I told Hair. That was LAST WEEK.

As it stands, I "nailed it" with carton, as one freepmail said and I don't take it back. My perceptions of others and spamming are my own and perhaps I should have kept it to myself (which I did for a long time, since this thread began, at least). But it's that pesky short fuse of mine...took months for me to say anything.

Sigh...I hope this is my last word.

I understand you, 2J. And you know that carton and I have had our falling outs as well in the past due to my defense of Hair (the whole censorship battle). I'm glad that things have been patched up between me and her and now I have a good understanding of what makes her tick so as not to offend her purposefully.

That's what I always try to do. I don't think it is necessary to hurt people to get your point across and I think that everyone agrees on that. It has never been the "norm" in the Hole is bash and flame without a care for each other. We can diagree, but we should do it with love and kindness and ABOVE ALL, respect.

As for the "short fuse" - that has a lot to do with the nature of the message board. You have always been one of the most jovial, easy going people on this thread - so when you get mad, it's more shocking to see. And since nothing indicated a "warning sign", it appears as a short fuse when really it had just been lit a while back and nobody saw it.

So, I think that's why the term "short fuse" came into play. We can't see each other's faces, so for all we know all is well in the Shire until BOOM!

A lot has been said in here that was hurtful and stupid. Words said in anger designed to inflict pain on the person who was causing pain in another. This is not right, especially between all of us who have laughed and cried with each other more times than I care to count.

I know that I have come away frm this HORRIBLE experience with a far better understanding of where everyone stands with respect to "hot button topics", etc. Maybe everyone else has too.

I love you, 2J. You've inspired me on many occasions with your dedication to your family and our troops, among other things.

I know all of us can work through this because we are all good people. I want our friendships to mean more than Tolkien.

Corin used to be, for my part. That ended weeks ago, when I asked him to "take back" what he said about my post about g'nad's baby. He basically told me what I could do with it.

I did nothing of the sort. I apologized. You asked if it would be too much to ask the Admin Moderator to remove the posts. I said, yes it would. You read into it anything else you've felt.

And as I said to she who is ignoring me, she just showed up at the wrong time. A lot of us thought your response was strange and uncharacteristic. Not just me.

Your post yesterday was not just to carton, but an indictment of all of the "spammers."

I'm sorry 2J. I thought certainly after the project for the troops, the money I sent, the letter I sent (which you wildly praised) and after all we've been through in the past year and a half I've been here that we did indeed have a friendship that was deeper than that. I guess I was wrong.

I wasn't on the first Hole thread, so I admit not knowing your "history" with carton. But I think carton is an insightful (dang near typed "inciteful"!) poster who adds a lot of depth and substance to the threads. I like it when she's here...at least the Smeagol side.

FWIW, I think you're a hoot. I admire you for how you're raising your boys, your commitment to the troops and more.

I'm sorry you no longer consider me a friend. But don't skip Entmoot on my account.