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The Hobbit Hole III - Journey to the Cross-roads!
Posted on 12/17/2002 7:32:02 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
Welcome to The Hobbit Hole!
Journey to the Cross-roads
The Two Towers Edition
Come on! Come in! -if you would like to have some seedcakes and a pint and relax a while. (If it is a special occasion, we still have a few bottles of the old wineyards left!)
Our first thread ( New Zealander builds Hobbit hole ) reached 4,100 posts, and we thought that was big. Our second thread (The New Hobbit Hole ) held us for over 48,000 posts, and we loved it dearly. We talked about moving to a new thread for the last 38,000 posts, but we are really slow to muster! Finally, the time has come. Tomorrow (at 12:01 am, to be precise!) The Two Towers comes out, and we start a new chapter.
TOPICS: The Hobbit Hole
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To: Corin Stormhands; HairOfTheDog; g'nad; JenB; Overtaxed; RMDupree; ksen; All
Good morning everyone...
Seems like most everyone had a good Christmas, which is nice! Had a quiet one here... I was still recovering from my cold, so we didn't go out and see The Movie as we had planned. But other than that, things were good.
I've been thinking about the changes regarding Faramir in TTT... I still think they got his character completely wrong, but there's another aspect of the trip to Osgiliath that greatly changes the story, and I haven't seen anyone mention it yet.
In the book, Frodo and Sam are able to enter Mordor mostly undetected (well, the Ring is undetected, anyway) because Sauron's attention is directed elsewhere. First, on the events happening in Rohan and Isengard, then when Aragorn challenges him through the Palantir, then by the battle at Minas Tirith. Frodo and Sam are able to walk right up to the Crack of Doom because Sauron thinks the Ring is in Aragorn's hands, in Minas Tirith. The movie changes all that, however: the Nazgul not only sees Frodo in Osgiliath, it sees Frodo *with the Ring* in Osgiliath! Sauron now knows who has the Ring, and where it is located... the whole point of Aragorn's and Gandalf's actions at Isengard and Minas Tirith is wasted. I think that change could be potentially more damaging to the integrity of the story, than the changes to Faramir!
What do y'all think?
To: 2Jedismom
Many congrats on the eleven years 2J. We hit 16 in November.
To: All
I saw this movie last night, best movie ever!!! I think I'm in love with the elf with blonde hair (I'm bad with names). I want to read the book to find out the end... do any of you think it will ruin the last movie for me? Usually I read the book before I watch a movie, but since this movie is soooo good, I can't really imagine the book being all that much better. What do all of you think?
To: Bear_in_RoseBear
It was perhaps made a bit more obvious, with Frodo actually visibly showing the ring... And I think when we see them all together, we may see Sauron getting all kinds of mixed messages... It might be in the hands of Gondor, Aragorn might have it... Saruman might have it.... It would still cause the confusion that would allow Frodo to walk in to Mordor. That would still be unexpected.
To: ItsOurTimeNow
Congratulations on the new job! That's a pretty nice Christmas present in itself, I would think! ;)
To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Oohh, I never even thought of the angle that Sauron knows where the Ring is now. Maybe this Nazgul gets killed off really quick in RoTK.
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posted on
12/26/2002 9:31:57 AM PST
by
ksen
To: Overtaxed; All
Now if we can get jobs for Rosie and ecurbhMe too, please! :)
To: HairOfTheDog
OK, OK, I'm leaving...
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posted on
12/26/2002 9:33:17 AM PST
by
Argh
To: Alylonee
Read the book whenever you like. Do not worry about ruining one with the other, for most of us, knowing both enhances both. I am just pleased that you love it enough to worry about it!
I can't really imagine the book being all that much better.
I wish I was you, with that experience still before me! Your mind is about to change!
To: Argh
[snicker]
To: HairOfTheDog; g'nad
I bet all Corin's Spam you are saddened by it. Yes, g'nad, even Haldir. Well, in the big picture, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. That's about all I'll say...
To: Lil'freeper
Character development is all a modern fantasy writer has because of his addiction to the ever successful and ever stale fantasy novel formula. While there are many fantasy writers that ape Tolkien, there are some who do not. George Martin and Stephen King come to mind.
To: HairOfTheDog; ksen
I think you can make an argument for Sauron thinking the Ring has gone to Minas Tirith... but since, in the books, the Ring is never revealed to the Enemy after it leaves Rivendell, I think the Nazgul seeing it in Osgiliath is a major change.
Sauron and the Nazgul are capable of telepathic contact over great distance, such as when Sauron realizes his danger at the Crack of Doom, and the Nazgul are called from the battle at the Black Gate to go there. Maybe it's not two way contact? I would think, though, a message as big as, "Hey, there's the Ruling Ring!" would get through pretty quick...
To: JenB; HairOfTheDog
How about something noble? If I have to die I'd really like my death to mean something. Mrs. Stormhands and I have lamented the fact that we have to do something significant...'cause we're too old to die young...
To: ksen
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.
To: RMDupree; HairOfTheDog; ksen
Hair posted some of Corin's SPAM pics on the thread... I have been, and remain (on this thread), Spam-free.
I'm here, still catching up, but just been very busy this week.
To: Alylonee
Hi, welcome to the thread!
I think I'm in love with the elf with blonde hair
Probably Legolas... he gets a lot of that. ;)
I want to read the book to find out the end... do any of you think it will ruin the last movie for me?
Well, that's a tough question. I first read the books many years ago, and have read them several times since. I still enjoyed the movies, but I don't know if I would have enjoyed them more, not knowing what was going to happen next. The movies have, for the most part, been very faithful to the books so far.
since this movie is soooo good, I can't really imagine the book being all that much better.
Oh, but they are... the movies can barely skim the surface of the richness and detail contained in the story. In the movies you're getting much of the action but little of the nuance... in the books, you get it all! I would definitely recommend reading the books eventually... but you will have to decide for yourself whether you read them before the third movie comes out. ;)
To: Corin Stormhands; JenB
I believe it was the Elf-friend who dumped the first official spam in this Hole.
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posted on
12/26/2002 9:58:56 AM PST
by
ksen
To: g'nad
Folks I dunno how to tell yuh this, but I was sorely disappointed in TTT... Hmmmm...I'll just have to see it again...
To: Lil'freeper
... How many times did you take the test to come up with a non-elf character? ;) Once.
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