Read my posts again and tell me where I said any of these kinds of actions were OK? I'm just trying to provide some balance here. Like Fox News, fair and balanced reporting? If you want to say that, based on DiLorenzo's criteria, neither the North or the confederacy came close to living up to the ideals of the Declaration of Independence then that's a start. If you want to debate which side was worse about it then bring it on. But if you want to insist that the confederate leadership where the true guardians of the spirit of the founding fathers as contained in the Declaration of Independence then you are as DiLusional as Tommy is.