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To: WhiskeyPapa; GOPcapitalist
I believe y'all could argue forever over whether or not Hitler and his party wanted to dominate the world, because the evidence for a yes or no on that question can only be indirect. What exactly are we even talking about here? The Nazis definitely had a dream of Germany dominating the world, one way or another, and definitely dreamed of Aryans dominating the world.

Hitler seemed indisposed to fight against certain nations, for whatever reason, but once the thing started snowballing (I think their success in France shocked even them) their goal was definitely to conquer their enemies, or perish.

It is true that Hitler had some kind of respect for the British. Maybe it was the memory of the breath of nerve gas he got in WWI. The Germans could very well have dealt a fatal blow to the British army as they got out of Dodge after the invesion of France, but Hitler would not allow it. The leadership of Germany believed that Britain would inevitably have to settle for a negotiated peace. But we all know they didn't, thankfully.

The Nazis occupied 2/3 of France, but gave their puppet french government 1/3 of their country to "rule."

Maybe the problem here is the definition of "dominate." Walt seems to be saying that the Nazis did not want to dominate the world, but maybe what he means is OCCUPY the world. Two very different things, once again - like nationalism and socialism.

That the Germans wanted to rule the world is without dispute. Whether they wanted to do this through conquering the world was probably disputed even in their own minds, and therefore could be disputed here forever.

967 posted on 11/19/2002 10:59:23 AM PST by agrandis
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To: agrandis
The Nazis definitely had a dream of Germany dominating the world, one way or another, and definitely dreamed of Aryans dominating the world.

They "definitely" had no such plan, as Col Dupuy's book shows. Hitler also told the German Navy they had until 1945 to complete their expansion. That didn't work out either.

It might be that in some really euphoric moment that the Germans thought all might fall before them, but they never had even an outline to conquer the world.

Hitler's goals never changed from 1925 -- gain the lebensraum in the east that the master race deserved.

Thanks for the correction on the dates re voting on the Morrill tariff.

Walt

979 posted on 11/19/2002 11:13:57 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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To: agrandis
The Nazis definitely had a dream of Germany dominating the world, one way or another, and definitely dreamed of Aryans dominating the world.

Then you shouldn't having any trouble showing that.

I have posted a record of a 1937 meeting where Hitler briefs his head henchmen that he may want to move to east as late as 1943-45.

That will give you some place to start.

Hitler --thought-- the Brits and surrender monkeys would acquiesce in his slamming Poland, just as they did when he took Austria and whacked the Czechs. He thought them totally spineless.

He had no plan for world conquest, just a plan to attack the Soviet Union to get the Lebensraum he needed and deserved.

Hitler was first, last and always an opportunist -- a trait he shares with Saddam Hussein.

Walt

984 posted on 11/19/2002 11:20:13 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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