To: LS
An additional note on socialism and the yankees: It is a little known historical fact that Karl Marx himself was one of the north's biggest advocates during the war. Marx wrote a frenzy of editorials promoting the north, attacking the south, and praising Lincoln during the war. Many of them were published widely abroad and picked up by the northern newspapers in the US, among them Horace Greeley's NY Tribune. The articles themselves were largely propagandist in nature. They tended to be loaded with distorted facts, alarmist appeals, and socialist "liberation" theory. Marx also very clearly saw Abraham Lincoln as the deliverer of the working man into a new stage of class evolution. He expressed this sentiment in some of his articles and in a letter to Lincoln following the 1864 election. Marx's communist political organization in London also issued proclamations praising Lincoln and the North.
I mention all of this because it seems odd that the world's leading communist and the communist-socialist political movement at the time would tilt so heavily in favor of the North if the South were what you say it to be.
To: LS
Here is perhaps the most famous of many quotes in which Abraham Lincoln asserted a labor theory of value:
"[S]ince then, if we except the light and the air of heaven, no good thing has been, or can be enjoyed by us, without having first cost labour. And, inasmuch [as] most good things are produced by labour, it follows that [all] such things of right belong to those whose labour has produced them. But it has so happened in all ages of the world, that some have laboured, and others have, without labour, enjoyed a large proportion of the fruits. This is wrong, and should not continue. To [secure] to each labourer the whole product of his labour, or as nearly as possible, is a most worthy object of any good government." - Abraham Lincoln, December 1, 1847, Collected Works vol. 1, pp. 411-412
To: GOPcapitalist
I don't care how "odd" it seems. You have to remember WHY Marx "supported" Lincoln was that he wanted a communist revolution and his theory (WRONG) was that such revolutions would occur in CAPITALIST countries. This alone tells you that even the father of communism knew the South was not "capitalist," but feudal.
But the Marxist supporters of slavery, most notably Calhoun and Fitzhugh, were very clear that in their system, not only blacks, but all men would become slaves.
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11/18/2002 4:48:10 AM PST by
LS
To: GOPcapitalist
I mention all of this because it seems odd that the world's leading communist and the communist-socialist political movement at the time would tilt so heavily in favor of the North if the South were what you say it to be. It is odd, especially in light of Davis's actions in nationalizing business and inserting government controls over whole sectors of the confederate economy. The only possible explanation is that Marx couldn't bring himself to support a government that existed only to further the institution of slavery.
To: GOPcapitalist
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