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To: WhiskeyPapa
Osama Bin Laden, it's been said, burns because U.S. infidels foul the holy places in Saudi Arabia by their simple presence there.

Think what he may, but the smell emitted from that region is internally produced and their so-called "holy place" is nothing more than a meteorite in a fancy box that for some bizarre reason they worship.

No Desert Storm, no cause of action.

BZZZT! Incorrect. Israel is still there, still supported by the US, and is much more a thorn in their side than any troop presence. Besides, what do you think would have happened had we not gone in? There's a good chance that Saddam would have marched on Saudi Arabia and last I checked, few people consider control of the arabian peninsula by an expansive islamo-arab nationalist to be a good thing.

It's on Bush, not Clinton.

Again, Walt, you are simply wrong. First, your hypothesis that Osama would not be incited to terror absent US presence there is nonsense. That region engaged in terror long Bush Sr. was there and long before he was even a congressman back in the 60's. The reason is their desired conquest of Israel and their hatred of anything even remotely seen as an Israeli ally, or for that matter, anything that even remotely resembles something other than a smelly refuse filled backwards 7th century islamo-cultist rat hole. Saddam is a problem because he seeks islamo-arab nationalism and expanionism. He seeks that whether the US is there in Saudi or not.

Second, your blaming of Bush is wholly irrational in its nature. You say it was more Bush's fault than Clinton based on the fact that Bush did not take out a suspected indirect supporter of the 9/11 attacks, yet at the same time you remain oblivious to Clinton's failure to take out the direct perpetrator of the 9/11 attacks when he had an opportunity to do so that Bush never had with Hussein. It's fundamentally irrational on your part and shows your continued devotion to the leftist slimeball of an ex-president YOU helped elect into office.

What has Bush done in the last year to make us safer from WTC type attacks or Flight 587 type attacks -- something substantial that we can point to? Nothing.

To the contrary. While attacks are still a major threat, Al Qaeda's rat nest of terrorist training compounds in the caves of Afghanistan are up in smoke and their command thrown into dissarray. Certainly you don't believe this has no effect on their capabilities, do you?

Or do you think your desired leader Al Gore would have handled it better?

431 posted on 11/15/2002 10:48:14 AM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
It's on Bush, not Clinton.

Again, Walt, you are simply wrong. First, your hypothesis that Osama would not be incited to terror absent US presence there is nonsense. That region engaged in terror long Bush Sr. was there and long before he was even a congressman back in the 60's...

There are things we can reasonbly infer, and things we cannot. How many active attempts did foreign heads of state make on the lives of U.S. presidents (or former presidents) before 1990? Zero.

How many after Desert Storm? One, that we know of, and that one pretty closely following. Desert Storm winds down in the summer of 1991. Two years later, Saddam Hussein is attempting to blow up George Bush I. There was a reason for that. You're not being fair or objective, but that is only to be expected.

When Bush was a congressman back in the '60's there had been few acts of terrorism as we know it today. And many of those were done by the Jews. Menachem Begin had a price on his head from the British for blowing up the King David hotel in 1945. In the late 1940's, Ariel Sharon used to hump explosives into the West Bank and blow up Arab houses in retaliation for attacks on Jewish farmers.

Where does the U.S. fit in with that? Nowhere.

Name a famous terror incident. Okay, I'll name one -- the 1972 (almost typed 1792) murder of 11 Israeli athletes at the Olympics. How was the U.S. involved? Not a lick. Name another -- put your hand down -- The Entebbe raid in July, 1976. Now even a clever boy like yourself will note that neither of those were in the 1960's and neither of these involved the death of U.S. citizens.

I don't believe, and if I am wrong, I welcome a correction, but I don't believe a single U.S. citizen lost his life in a terrorist incident perpetrated by arabs prior to Desert Storm in the United States (I'm not forgetting Pan Am flt. 103). What's the count now? I think the total dead at the WTC has been set at 2,801. Two-three hundred in the other three planes/on the ground. Maybe, if you lean this way, 187 in the Edward Murrah building.

You're going to get quite a reputation for spouting nonsense on a number of subjects here.

All these deaths of U.S. citizens --the death of EVERY U.S. citizen killed by Arab terror in the United States, can be laid directly at the feet of George Bush I.

If Saddam Hussein's Iraq had been handled competently by the Bush I administration, there would be no war on terror, no homeland defense, no terrorist cells in Buffalo -- none of that.

Walt

448 posted on 11/15/2002 11:16:43 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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