[WhiskeyPapa]

None of us in this country enjoy the freedom and liberty the founders envisioned.

Very Jeffersonian.

And none of us have seen the White House burned either -- a direct result of Jefferson's policies.

Walt

[colorado tanker]

I always shake my head at the irony of these threads. Lincoln, like Jefferson, was a natural rights man, holding that the principles of the Declaration announce fundamental rights no government can legitimately take away. In contrast, John Calhoun and Jefferson Davis were positivists and historicists, the very philosophies that justify tyrannical government.