[fightu4it]

All I can say about Lincoln is he was seduced by wealthy Northern intrests into abusing the Constitution and it's amendments.

It's a story as old as man himself. It still goes on today. The gathering (centralizing) of power in the Federal Government is the most alarming occurance of my lifetime.

[WhiskeyPapa]

All I can say about Lincoln is he was seduced by wealthy Northern intrests into abusing the Constitution and it's amendments.

You can say that all you like, but you'll have a hard time proving it in the record.

Walt

[WhiskeyPapa]

The gathering (centralizing) of power in the Federal Government is the most alarming occurance of my lifetime.

As Ditto suggested, George Washington was ready to use federal power in 1795 to put down those who opposed the federal government. His proclamation spoke of treason.

Now you can say that the government is out of control, has overstepped any reasonable boundary -- you can say that they replaced the fillings in your teeth with a machine to trace your movements, and you'll get no beef from me. But to trace all that to Abraham Lincoln is just ludicrous.

Walt

[Ditto]

All I can say about Lincoln is he was seduced by wealthy Northern intrests into abusing the Constitution and it's amendments.

Show us where that happened. The New England textile mill owners were opposed to war --- they didn't want to see their cotton supplies interrupted. The mid west didn't like the idea of the Mississippi being closed. New Yorkers didn't like the idea of their ships being attacked by Confederate privateers.

Exactly what business interests where it that pushed Lincoln?