[Aurelius]

BUMP

[sultan88]

Yankhater, you have met DiLorenzo. What is your take on this?

[shuckmaster]

I suppose I was lucky to have had school teachers who still taught their classes the truth about the economic origins of the War Between the States.
It's amazing that today, so many misinformed and otherwise intellegent looking people will look you straight in the eye & try to tell you the war was fought over slavery when that absurd revisionist notion never even appeared in any history book published north or South until well after Bruce Canton started publishing his series of historical fiction books approximately 75 years after the war.
Thank you DiLo for waking people up to the truth again!!!

[rmvh]

People like to simplify the very complex reasons for the Civil War into a largely single issue...slavery.... Nonesense!

Slavery was an important issue but certainly not the primary one. This fiction has been captured by the PC crowd since the new Deal and made into a major plank for the Democratic party, assuring the unwavering voting support of the vast majority of American blacks for the past 70 years....regardless of issues.

Many people rank the fight for states rights versus federalism as number one!

Taxes, tarrifs, States rights, abolitionism, and Northern vs southern economic issues all contributed.....

Subsequent to the war, the "Carpetbaggers" from the north descended on a defeated south and were among the first to "simplify" this slavery fiction as being easy to understand justification for their economic plunder of the south.

[AxelPaulsenJr]

Doesn't DeLorenzo drive a caddy?

[Mudboy Slim]

"In an excellent piece of historical research and economic exposition, two economics professors, Robert A. McGuire of the University of Akron and T. Norman Van Cott of Ball State University, have provided independent evidence for Thomas J. Dilorenzo’s thesis that tariffs played a bigger role in causing the Civil War than slavery."

IMHO as an unborn Kansan--LOL!!--All wars are about Power, and the Effete Elite in the North were fearin' the uppity-ness of the Effete Elite in the South, so the Power-Hungry EffeteElitists in the North used the morally-indefensible SlaveryIssue to skewer the EffeteElitists in the South.....thereby resulting in the needless deaths of many NON-EffeteElitists in both the North and South!!

I'd like to see anyone on either side of the North-South Issue to argue otherwise...MUD

[Jael]

Finally, the scholars catch up with the truth!!!

One Southern Scholar already reported and recorded this. this.

A Basic History of the U.S., Vol. III: The Sections and the Civil War: 1826-1877 by Clarence Carson - 1985. Great books.

[AxelPaulsenJr]

I hate to tell you guys this, but I'm fairly certain that DeLorenzo drives a Cadillac.

[crystalk]

A little known but not seriously disputed fact is that the future President Lincoln was born in 1804, not 1809, and in North Carolina, not in Kentucky, Indiana, or Illinois.

His biological father was named Abraham Enloe, and the Enloe family paid their employee Tom Lincoln to marry their [mestizo=Euro-Amerindian mixed race] servant girl Nancy Hanks and remove her and her then four-year-old child from Rutherford County, NC, to Kentucky.

Tom Lincoln did give himself out to be Abe's father, but soon remarried after the suspiciously early death of Nancy soon after the arrival in Kentucky. Never successful at anything, this Tom Lincoln, a hard and skillful worker when sober, had drinking and gambling problems and never took much interest in Abe.

Lincoln admitted this in his 1856 campaign against Douglas. Among other things that it explains, is his prodigious doing of a man's hard frontier work at the alleged age of 13, and the like. Lawyer at supposed 19, and the like.

The true Lincoln birthplace, regardless of the bogus Federal tourist site in Kentucky, is still known locally as Lincoln Hill today and is located about l mile north of the village of Bostic in Rutherford County, NC, which is some 3 miles NE of Forest City, NC, and some 7 miles east of the county seat at Rutherfordton.

Interestingly enough, this also would imply that Lincoln was at least some one-eighth-to-one-quarter Cherokee Indian by blood, as well as the son of a Southern planter and agricultural pioneer who [by the 1804 era] owned some 100 (black) slaves as well as employing some 200 white and part-Indian free laborers on his three farms.

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Lessee now, tariffs were going down - in fact by 1860 they were lower on cotton than they had been for a decade (although it is also telling that Louisiana staunchly supported the sugar tariff which benifited their state and hurt the north).  The compromise proposals of late 1860 and early 1861 dealt almost *exclusively* with the expansion of slavery (they did not cover state area which already had slavery).

Yup, it is as obvious that tariffs were the major factor in the start of the civil war as it is that the north initiated hostitilities by S.C. attacking a federal fort. </sarcasm>

[fightu4it]

As for any confusion you may have about Lincoln on the issue of slavery you have only to read Mr. Lincoln's letter to Horace Greeley.

Mr. Greeley, by the way, was pleased by the prospect of secession as it would rid the country of slavery.

[Tribune7]

Evidence Builds for DeLorenzo's Lincoln

And a140-year-old photo of Abe with Christopher Lloyd indicates evidence is building for Lincoln's DeLorean.

[Oberon]

As for me, I think we should have a big round of raspberries in salute to Mr. Lincoln for bringing the nation finally down on the Hamiltonian side, leaving the Jeffersonian ideals outside to rot...

[fightu4it]

I sent Walt an e-mail asking if he had read Charles Adams' book When in the Course of Human Events. Copyright 2002, ISBN 0-8476-9722-3.

It is a well footnoted work that received many good reviews.

He dismissed it out of hand. There can be no meaningful discussion with an attitude like that.