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To: ApesForEvolution
I've discovered that if God isn't bigger than my brain, then He can't be God.

I make no assumptions about God, convenient or otherwise, other than he exists. I am a Creationist in church, an evolutionist the rest of the time. I can live in harmony with both concepts. As a matter of truth, I really don't see the dispute. One is religious dogma, the other scientific conjecture. I am comfortable with both in their appropriate venues.

But science in church is blasphemy, and the church in science, beyond the moral, is superstition pretending to be science.

Science, to me is the God given curiosity to learn how God created the physical world. Religion is the courage to look.

126 posted on 10/11/2002 11:53:37 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: elbucko
I am a Creationist in church, an evolutionist the rest of the time. I can live in harmony with both concepts. As a matter of truth, I really don't see the dispute.

Then you emphatically do not understand Evolution.

172 posted on 10/12/2002 5:59:59 AM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: elbucko; Phaedrus; gore3000
If I may offer a few comments regarding your post #126, elbucko.

IMHO, there would not be such discord if evolutionary biology rejected all ideology when presented to children.

It would be rather easy in K-12 public schools by simply not presenting randomness as a required element of the theory, and instead speak of environmental niches. The resistance to such a compromise adds weight to the parental concern that the theory is promoting ideology under color of science - as asserted by Harvard Genetics Professor Richard Lewontin:

We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counterintuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door. The eminent Kant scholar Lewis Beck used to say that anyone who could believe in God could believe in anything. To appeal to an omnipotent deity is to allow that at any moment the regularities of nature may be ruptured, that miracles may happen.

The Unraveling of Scientific Materialism

You say you live in harmony with both concepts [evolution and creation.} And you achieve this harmony by keeping each in an inviolate venue.

Conversely, I see true harmony between science and the Word; therefore, I see no need to separate them:

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Just my two cents...

180 posted on 10/12/2002 9:05:25 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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