Evidence Disproving Evolution

myself | 10/11/02 | gore3000

[gore3000]

Evidence Disproving Evolution

The basis of a valid scientific theory is that it be able to explain all the scientific data in the field it is concerned with and that no evidence contradicting the theory be true. This is a harsh test, but one which all legitimate scientific theories must pass. This is a test which the theory of evolution has failed in spades as the following abundantly shows.

Religion and Science:

Access Research Network Discovery Institute -- Origins -- Creation Science -- Creation/Evolution Sites -- Creation & Evolution Links from the Intelligent Design and Evolution Awareness (IDEA) Club -- True Origins -- Answers in Genesis -- Faith Facts -- Center for Renewal of Science and Culture -- Center for Scientific Creation -- Creation Research Society -- Biblical Creation Society -- Christian Apologetics -- Institute for Creation Research

"It is interesting to contemplate an entangled bank, clothed with many plants of many kinds, with birds singing on the bushes, with various insects flitting about, and with worms crawling through the damp earth, and to reflect that these elaborately constructed forms, so different from each other, and dependent on each other in so complex a manner, have all been produced by laws acting around us. These laws, taken in the largest sense, being Growth with Reproduction; Inheritance which is almost implied by reproduction; Variability from the indirect and direct action of the external conditions of life, and from use and disuse;. a Ratio of Increase so high as to lead to a Struggle for Life, and as a consequence to Natural Selection, entailing Divergence of Character and the Extinction of less-improved forms. Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the production of the higher animals, directly follows evolution." From: Charles Darwin, "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life"

Intelligent Design:
Darwin's Mistake by Stu Pullen -- Rebuttals of Criticisms of Darwin's Black Box -- Dembski - Another Way to Detect Design -- Behe, Michael J. - ARN Authors Page -- Leadership U. Designer Universe: Intelligent Design Theory of Origins -- Flagellar Structure and regulated transcription of flagellar genes -- Dr. Lee Spetner's continued exchange with Dr. Edward E. Max -- Intelligent Design Research Community -- Intelligent Design Theory Resources -- Intelligent Design. The bridge between science and theology. (William Dembski). -- Evolution vs Creation (Intelligent Design) WorldView -- Detailed defense of "Icons" by Wells -- Dembski on Intelligent Design -- Dembski: No Free Lunch -- Behe's Book -- A True Acid Test:Response to Ken Miller : Behe, Michael -- Intelligent Design Articles -- Phillip Johnson's Page -- Ohio Science Standards - IDN	A Moment in History... That a maker is required for anything that is made is a lesson Sir Isaac Newton was able to teach forcefully to an atheist-scientist friend of his. Sir Isaac had an accomplished artisan fashion for him a small scale model of our solar system which was to be put in a room in Newton?s home when completed. The assignment was finished and installed on a large table. The workman had done a very commendable job, simulating not only the various sizes of the planets and their relative proximities, but also so constructing the model that everything rotated and orbited when a crank was turned. It was an interesting, even fascinating work, as you can image, particularly to anyone schooled in the sciences. Newton's atheist-scientist friend came by for a visit. Seeing the model, he was naturally intrigued, and proceeded to examine it with undisguised admiration for the high quality of the workmanship. "My! What an exquisite thing this is!? he exclaimed. "Who made it?? Paying little attention to him, Sir Isaac answered, "Nobody." Stopping his inspection, the visitor turned and said: "Evidently you did not understand my question. I asked who made this. Newton, enjoying himself immensely no doubt, replied in a still more serious tone. "Nobody. What you see just happened to assume the form it now has." "You must think I am a fool!? the visitor retorted heatedly, "Of course somebody made it, and he is a genius, and I would like to know who he is." Newton then spoke to his friend in a polite yet firm way: "This thing is but a puny imitation of a much grander system whose laws you know, and I am not able to convince you that this mere toy is without a designer and maker; yet you profess to believe that the great original from which the design is taken has come into being without either designer or maker! Now tell me by what sort of reasoning do you reach such an incongruous conclusion?" From: Sir Isaac Newton Solar System Story, "The Truth: God or evolution?" by Marshall and Sandra Hall

Biology Disproving Evolution
Alternative Splicing -- Scientists snap first 3-D pictures of the "heart" of the transcription machine -- Molecular Biology Book -- Cell Interactions in Development -- Oldest Living Plant -- Fruit Flies Speak Up -- The Nature of Nurture: How the environment shapes our genes -- Nanobes (Nanobacteria) are crystals -- Regulation of the Cell Cycle 2001 Nobel Prize -- Amniota - Problems with the Philogeny of -- Basic Principles of Genetics Mendel's Genetics -- Photosynthesis -- Population Variability and Evolutionary Genetics -- Fossil Hominids mitochondrial DNA -- Genetics Glossary AB -- Genomics and Its Impact on Medicine and Society 2001 Primer -- The molecular clock -- Cell Signaling: The Inside Story on MAP Kinases -- Protein Synthesis -- Watching genes at work -- Cell snapshot spots cancer -- Development protein atracts and then repels muscle tissue -- Evolution of the Genomes of Mammals and Birds -- Gene Silencing - Study shows plants inherit traits from more than gene sequence alone -- Gene silencing - Environmental Stress reactions -- Bio-Tech Info - Gene Silencing Articles -- Advances In "Micro" RNA Exploring Process Of Life -- Monkeys and Men - gene expression -- Chimps, Humans and Retroviruses -- Gene activity in human brain sets us apart from chimps -- Pros and Cons of Inbreeding -- Inbreeding and desth of species -No Need to Isolate Genetics -- How Organisms Protect Themselves Against Transposons -- Uses of transposons -- Cell Suicide -- Protein Transforms Sedentary Muscles Into Exercised Muscles, Researchers Report -- Gene insertion in Transgenic Animals -- "50,000 Genes, and We Know Them All (Almost)"	While evolution continues to tell us that species transform themselves in a simple almost magical manner, modern biology shows this not to be the case. Organisms are so complex that for them to transform themselves into different ones would require a theory of COevolution. The random processes assumed by evolutionary theory deny such a possibility. Genes are just information encoded along a long string of the chemical DNA; they cannot do anything themselves. David Baltimore, Nobel Prize Winner

Mutations:
A Scientific Defense of a Creationist Position on Evolution -- Evolutionist View of Evolutionary Biology -- Creation, Selection, And Variation -- Population Genetics, Haldane's Dilemma and the Neutral Theory of Evolution -- Haldane Rebuttal -- Point_Mutations -- Inbreeding and Population Genetics -- Introduction to Evolutionary Biology -- Neutral Mutations -- Computational Geneticists Revisit A Mystery In Evolution -- Mutations - organisms fixes them itself -- Mutations	Funny thing about mutations, it is almost impossible for them to spread throughout a species. In addition, mutations which either transform a species into another or which add any kind of greater complexity have not been seen in spite of the daily experimentation going on in thousands of research labs daily.

Junk DNA:
The Human Genome Project -- Junk DNA in man and mouse -- Junk DNA - Over 95 percent of DNA has largely unknown function -- JUNK dna and transpositions -- Junk DNA Tips Off Tumor Comeback -- Transgenics, Junk DNA, Evolution and Risks: Reading Through Rows	Evolutionists are always making assumptions. They assumed that the tonsils and the appendix were remnants of previous species from which humans had evolved and were totally useless. They were wrong about that. When the human genome was sequenced and it was found that only 5% of it was used in genes they immediately assumed that the 95% not in genes was 'junk'. They were wrong again of course. The now called 'non-coding' DNA is the source of what makes humans tick and a marvel of creation in itself.

Abiogenesis:
RNA World: A Critique -- Evolution and the Origin of Life -- Thermodynamics and the Origin of Life - Part II -- The Mystery of Life's Origin -- Message Theory/Remine -- Bruce Lipton, Insight Into Cellular Consciousness	There is a tremendous amount of proof against abiogenesis. First of all is Pasteur's proof that life does not come from inert matter (and this was of course at one time the prediction of materialists). Then came the discovery of DNA and the chemical basis of organisms. This poses a totally insurmountable problem to abiogenesis. The smallest living cells has a DNA string of some one million base pairs long and some 600 genes, even cutting this number by a quarter as the smallest possible living cell would give us a string of some 250,000 base pairs of DNA. It is important to note here that DNA can be arranged in any of the four basic codes equally well, there is no chemical or other necessity to the sequence. The chances of such an arrangement arising are therefore 4^250,000. Now the number of atoms in the universe is said to be about 4^250. I would therefore call 4^250,000 an almost infinitely impossible chance (note that the supposition advanced that perhaps it was RNA that produced the first life has this same problem). The problem though is even worse than that. Not only do you need two (2) strings of DNA perfectly matched to have life, but you also need a cell so that the DNA code can get the material to sustain that life. It is therefore a chicken and egg problem, you cannot have life without DNA (or RNA if one wants to be generous) but one also has to have the cell itself to provide the nutrients for the sustenance of the first life. Add to this problem that for the first life to have been the progenitor of all life on earth, it necessarily needs to have been pretty much the same as all life now on earth is, otherwise it could not have been the source of the life we know. Given all these considerations, yes, abiogenesis is impossible.

Darwin and His Theory:
Charles Darwin - The Truth -- Darwin's Racism -- Darwi n's Family -- Malthus and evolutionists -- Darwin's Environment -- Darwin, Racism, Evil -- Ascent of Racism -- Talk.Origins and the Darwin/Hitler Test -- Darwin's finches Evolution in real time -- Effects of the 1998 El Niño on Darwins finches on Daphne -- Punctuated Equilibrium at Twenty -- Homology A Concept in Crisis. Origins & Design 182. Wells, Jonathan -- Darwin's Creation Myth -- David Berlinsky 'The Deniable Darwin	Evolutionists try to paint Darwin as a quiet scientist working hard on writing his theory. However, this is a totally false statement. Yes, he was a recluse. However, he was neither a scintist not a very nice person as the following quote shows: With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed. From: Charles Darwin, "The Descent of Man", Chapter V.

Evolutionist Censorship:
Scientists Censored for Publicly Exposing Flaws in Evolution - Suite101.com -- Science and Fairness -- Duane Gish Responds to Joyce Arthur's Critique -- Do Creationists Publish in Notable Refereed Journals? -- Censorship of Information on Origins -- Professor Rigid on Evolution (must "believe" to get med school rec)	Evolutionists almost since the start have tried to silence opponents. While they constantly claim to be scientists, it seems that instead of following the principles of science - questioning, discussion, and challenging of existing theories, they follow the principles of ideology - silencing and destroying opponents.

Species Disproving Evolution:

Morphology of the Archaea -- Humans Are Three Percent Puffer Fish -- JGI Fugu v2.0 Home -- Cyanobacteria not changed in 4 billion years -- Platypus -- Platypus Web Sites -- Eosimias ankle bone proves human descent! -- euglena -- Textbook Fraud: Hyracotherium dawn horse eohippus, mesohippus, meryhippus -- - On the Alleged Dinosaurian Ancestry of Birds - -- Fruit Flies Disprove Darwin -- Hymenopimecis Wasp: Parasite's web of death -- Haploid False Spider Mites -- Cambrian Explosion: Biology's Big Bang -- Cambrian Explosion: Origin of the Phyla -- Kangaroo and platypus not related

Top: Euglena, Hymenopimesis Wasp, Butterfly, Platypus Bottom: Bat, Fugu, Cambrian species

Various Topics:
A Critique of '29 Evidences for Macroevolution' -- Blind Atheist -- Freeper Views on Origins -- Freeper Views on Origins - Patriarchs -- Creation/Evolution Debate -- Homology -- 15 Answers to John Rennie and SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN's Nonsense (by Bert Thompson and Brad Harrub> -- Sir Karl Popper "Science as Falsification," 1963 -- Pope John Paul II: Truth Cannot Contradict Truth (Statement on Evolution - 1996) -- Evolution Shams -- A Critique of PBS's Evolution -- Evolution of a Creationist -- Evolution, Creation, and Thermodynamics -- God, Humanity and the Cosmos Book Section Evolutionary Biology and Theology -- The Revolution Against Evolution -- Sexual Reproduction A Continuing Mystery to Evolutionists -- Splifford FAQ (How talk.origins and sci.bio.evolution really work -- Mathematics vs Evolution -- Evolution vs Logic -- Natural Selection an Agency of Stasis, not Change -- Evolution as Anti-Science -- Critique of Gould -- Radiocarbon dating things which should not radiocarbon date... -- Evolution or Christianity -- Funding for Evolution -- Scientists find biological reality behind religious experience [Free Republic] -- Doctors increasingly find introducing prayer helps calm patients and speeds recovery -- The healing power of prayer. -- There is power in prayer [Free Republic] -- Micro vs Macroevolution -- Science Design Kit -- 50 Reasons to Leave Evolutionism -- The Evolution of Truth -- Fossils and dating -- - Talk.Origins: Deception by Omission -- Talk Origins - FAQ or Fiction? -- McCluskey, E. S. --- Which Vertebrates Make Vitamin C? -- Vitamin c Pseudogene -- Snapshots of God -- Critics of Evolution - Book Reviews	While evolution claims to explain the descent of one species from another, it has never been able to do so. The original explanation for how evolution transforms species, natural selection, has things backwards. Natural selection kills, it does not create anything. For evolution to be true it needed to propose a creative force which would have been able to add new traits, new functions to the simplest creatures and gradually transform them into more complex ones. The original proposal by Darwin, the melding of features from the parents, did not answer this problem, nor does the more modern version of the exchange of genetic information that occurs in procreation. Such methods do not add any information either, they just reshuffle the information which already exists in the species. Clearly this cannot be the source of increased complexity either. With the re-discovery of genetics in the 20th Century, the Darwinists finally accepted the incorrectness of the melding theory and proposed mutations as the agent of creation of new information. They ran into the problem that with individuals receiving half their genes from each parent and half the genes of each parent being passed on to the progeny, the chances of a new mutation, even one which might be favorable, had not only a very small chance of surviving more than a few generations, but also had an almost impossible chance of spreading throughout a species. They therefore proposed that most mutations were neutral ones and by gradual accumulation they would change the species. This explanation did not even solve the problem of how difficult it was for any mutation to survive, let alone spread throughout a species. The discovery of DNA made the above possibility, already quite unlikely and totally unproven, just about totally impossible. The high complexity of a gene and more importantly experiments showing that changing even one of the thousand DNA bases of a gene are likely to destroy functioning completely and are extremely unlikely to enhance it, presented another serious problem for evolution. This was 'solved' by proposing that gene duplication would create new functions without destroying necessary functioning. Of course, as before, this was only theory and no experimental proof of it was found to support it. The same problem of it being hard to change a gene favorably applied to such genes, the only explanatory gain was that incorrect mutations would not be deadly. Even then, this was insufficient explanation for the transformation of species. Similar genes, which are fairly common, only accomplish similar functions. The vast changes required for complete species transformation, are unexplainable without the creation of totally new genes. With the discovery that genes themselves are just factories and are controlled by other DNA in the organism, and that a single gene often produces many proteins, this explanation was rendered inadequate. Now a new function, which was already known to most likely require more than a single new gene, would require a whole complex of DNA outside the gene to make it work when and if needed. This makes the evolutionary explanation of random, non-directed species change totally untenable and indeed biologists are beginning to call the developmental process of an organism a program. Like all programs, those for life are not made at random.

[Phaedrus]

Not having a real horse to put in to make a race, Phaedrus noted that the evolution horse is "too musclebound."

Well I do beg to differ, Vade. Gertrude Himmelfarb and Phillip Johnson have a relevant thing or two to say about the Evol "horse", all available on this thread, and neither of them promotes "Creationism", an Evol red herring. You all just don't want to discuss what a mess Darwinism is from a scientific point-of-view. I sometimes wonder why that is but I don't worry too much about it. The nice thing about Truth, Vade, is that it is immutable and ridicule won't drive it away. Science itself is a limited form of Truth but even within that limited realm, Darwin doesn't make the grade.

[gore3000]

How often in the past, when the creationoids would try to smear evolution by bringing up Hitler, did we say that Hitler was a nutcase, and that his occasional references to the struggle for survival prove nothing at all.

It was not 'occasional references' it was the basis of his whole agenda - an agenda that was enforced by numerous people. Stalin's anti-Darwinism was only a passing fancy. Further, other numerous Communist mass murderers have and continue to embrace evolution as a basis for their philosophy.

Further, in spite of your claims of conservatism, patriotism, freedom, etc. your philosophy is a leftist philosophy which by demeaning human life excuses tyranny, destruction and inhumanity.

[gore3000]

For those who want a "better" source for the proposition that Adolf Hitler was a creationist:

Wonderful Patrick, now Hitler was a Christian and the Pope is not Catholic. What other new insights are you going to provide us? I can use another good laugh.

[VadeRetro]

Well I do beg to differ, Vade. Gertrude Himmelfarb and Phillip Johnson have a relevant thing or two to say about the Evol "horse", all available on this thread, and neither of them promotes "Creationism", an Evol red herring.

Gertrude is a scientific incompetent from 50 years ago. Johnson stole his arguments from Duane Gish, trimming all the obviously YEC stuff. OK, he claims that he's "not a creationist." (Nyuk! Nyuk! Nyuk!) His resume says that he's not a scientist, either.

[gore3000]

As I have said: "At best, you have shown that religion is useful for keeping people moral. (A debatable position.) You have not shown it to be true."

I have refuted the above several times and given examples for my position. Since you keep evading responding to the evidence I have given you my guess is that I am correct and this post is a somewhat ungletemanly concession. Good day.

[gore3000]

You all just don't want to discuss what a mess Darwinism is from a scientific point-of-view.

It is quite interesting that with all the scientific evidence presented in the article above the only thing which evolutionists wish to discuss is their strawman 'creationism'. That is their choice of course, but by not even attempting to refute the evidence presented against evolution they are silently assenting to the truth of the proposition that evolution has been disproven.

[gore3000]

Gertrude is a scientific incompetent from 50 years ago. Johnson stole his arguments from Duane Gish,

If what they say is so obviously wrong (according to you), how come you cannot refute the message and instead lower yourself to attacking the messengers??????

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your post and for stating your position! I believe sharing these tidbits from our lengthy discussion may be helpful here. Hugs!!!

[Junior]

Well, Johnson is a lawyer and not a biologist, so anything he has to say on evolution should be taken in that light.

[Junior]

PH never mentioned the Pope. Nice try to obfuscate and bloviate your way out of an untenable situation. Reminds me of circles and elipses...

[f.Christian]

Hitler was a vegetarian too...

you're nuts---

still think the Pope--Catholic Church accepts evolution too!

Evolution warps/twists--rots...there is no you/soul left---whacked--whacko!

[Alamo-Girl]

Well, Johnson is a lawyer and not a biologist, so anything he has to say on evolution should be taken in that light.

IMHO, it is precisely because he is a lawyer that Intelligent Design has taken on his demeanor - and won over so many people, making strong inroads in the school boards. In this instance, the jury is not scientific peers but the public at large.

IMHO, the evolutionists are ill advised to besmirch the opposition, in particular the IDers. There is more poison in the handle than the point.

On the assertion about PatrickHenry and the Pope, there was a lengthy discussion between PH and betty boop on this thread.

[Junior]

Because he is a lawyer and not a biologist anything Johnson says in regards to biology should be suspect. If he were a top-notch biologist he'd have more credibility, but then top-notch biologists don't have a beef with evolution...

[PatrickHenry]

On the assertion about PatrickHenry and the Pope, there was a lengthy discussion between PH and betty boop on this thread.

Right. I've been quoting the Pope's 1996 statement, as I think it's clear he's accepted evolution (but not with regard to man's spiritual nature). And I've quoted Hitler -- who is clearly a creationist. The quotes are accurate.

G3k doesn't like -- or understand -- these quotes, so he alleges that I'm claiming the Pope isn't catholic, etc. We are accustomed to such distortions.

To clarify these things again: Hitler's creationism doesn't discredit creationism. The Pope's stand on evolution doesn't prove evolution. Evolution must stand on its scientific merit, not on the authority of its proponents (or the ignominy of its detractors). Ditto for creationism.

[Servant of the Nine]

I have only one question for the Intelegent Designers.

How much Oil, Gas and Mineral Production do y'all have?

People in the natural resourses business are willing to try anything to find what they are looking for. They have tried dowsing, Ouigee Boards, prayer, dreams and micro paleontology and stratigraphy. Some wildcatter can be found to try anything.

Micropaleontology and Stratigraphy, which are based on evolution are the only succesful methods ever found.

A theory has to make sound predictions to be of any value, or even to just be true.
Why don't yall get together some scratch and use your ID theories to look for Oil?
If you are succesful, you will not only get rich, but you will convert most of the Scientific Community in a matter of months.

Or are y'all "All Talk and no Wallet"?
Or something rather worse? People willing to take steps that could destroy our economy by curtailing new mineral finds, just to feel smarmy about their religion? People no better than the Mullas of the Middle East.

SO9

[Michael_Michaelangelo]

I've been quoting the Pope's 1996 statement, as I think it's clear he's accepted evolution (but not with regard to man's spiritual nature).

But maybe not so clear after you read this: Clarification of the Pope's statements regarding evolution

I encourage all those interested in the Pope's stand on evolution to give this referenced article a good read.

MM

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your post!

I understand your point, however Johnson does not claim to be his own expert witness.

What he does is superb lawyering by using expert witnesses from both sides and arguing only the logic, in simple language, appealing to common sense. He never badgers, he embraces good arguments from either side. He wins very frequently.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your post and for sharing your views!

My posting of the link was not to enter the debate but to "source" what I suspect was the origin of the gore3000's remark. It's what I do (LOL!)

[PatrickHenry]

Thanks for the link. I've read the site before. I don't know who James Akin is, so it's difficult to know how much he really knows -- as opposed to what we can learn from reading the Pope's own statement HERE.

Even reading Akin's analysis as if it were a bang-on accurate appraisal of the Pope's statement, it's clear that the Pope doesn't oppose evolution, and it would appear that he plans to have the church co-exist with it. If that were all the Pope said, it's sufficient for my purposes.

[f.Christian]

Predsident Bush vomited on a Japanese dignitary---is he a bad president?

OJ Simpson was great football player so he is innocent of murdering Nicole Smith and Ron Goldman?

Is that how evolution works?