[WhiskeyPapa]

Dixie bump. Here's my latest - a factual dissection of the Claremont smear of DiLorenzo in this week's National Review

And here's a factual error right at the top:

Lincoln went to war to prevent the formation of a government by a clear majority of the southern people...

Sam Houston, as you know -- as you responded to my post where I quoted him:

"I believe a large majority of our Southern people are opposed to secession, and if the secession leaders would permit our people to take ample time to consider secession and then hold fair elections the secession movement would be defeated by an overwhelming majority." -- Sam Houston, 1861

President Lincoln is on the record also:

"It may well be questioned whether there is, to-day, a majority of the legally qualified voters of any State, except South Carolina, in favor of disunion. There is much reason to believe that the Union men are the majority in many, if not in every other one, of the so-called seceded States."

7/4/61

So how now your statement that a "clear majority" of southerner supported the formation of a new government?

Walt

[TexConfederate1861]

You sure do love to quote Texans don't you....

Well how about this little fact....

Sam Houston was opposed to secession, but loved TEXAS MORE!

That is why he wouldn't accept Caesar Lincoln's offer of troops, and that is why his son was an officer in the Confederate Army. He also reviewed the troops on occasion.

So smoke on that fact for a while......

[GOPcapitalist]

Sam Houston, as you know -- as you responded to my post where I quoted him: "I believe a large majority of our Southern people are opposed to secession, and if the secession leaders would permit our people to take ample time to consider secession and then hold fair elections the secession movement would be defeated by an overwhelming majority." -- Sam Houston, 1861

That's nice, Walt, but as I also noted, there is some question as to the validity of that quotation and its dating, which you have not established to be authentic.

That aside, even if those were Houston's words, they fly in the face of the reality around him. Texas held an election on secession and Houston lost it in a landslide. Tennessee and Virginia also voted with similar results. North Carolina voted before the blockade and it narrowly lost, but after the blockade they joined the secessionist column.

"It may well be questioned whether there is, to-day, a majority of the legally qualified voters of any State, except South Carolina, in favor of disunion. There is much reason to believe that the Union men are the majority in many, if not in every other one, of the so-called seceded States."

That is called delusion, Walt. Secession carried three state referendums in a landslide.

[PeaRidge]

And here's a factual error right at the top

Your contention and their Opinion doesn't prove error.

Sam Houston

"I believe..." --

President Lincoln

"It may well be questioned..."

This is all just commentary, not data.

"I believe..." and "It may well..." is nothing. Here is the data

After South Carolina seceded, (1/9/1861—2/1/1861) six other states seceded. Mississippi (1/9) on a vote of 85-15; Florida (1/10) 62-7; Alabama (1/11) on a vote of 61-39; Georgia (1/19) 208-89; Louisiana (1/26) 113-17; Texas (2/1) voting 166-8.

So, in reality, this comment ->Lincoln went to war to prevent the formation of a government by a clear majority of the southern people<-is in fact supported by historical voting records.