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To: tall_tex
Because the South had a hissy fit because an election didn't go as they liked. And then they started a war over it by shooting first.

In other words they acted like Democrats or spoiled children. Lincoln had not done one damn thing to them at that point. If you start a war don't whine when the other guy counterattacks and cleans your clock.

I know there were many factors that lead up to the war, so save your angry insults. That the south fired first is undisputed. And I am sick of hearing about it. Get over it.

a.cricket

42 posted on 09/26/2002 7:21:22 PM PDT by another cricket
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To: another cricket
"That the south fired first is undisputed. And I am sick of hearing about it. Get over it."

"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right-a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own so much of the territory as they inhabit."

Abraham Lincoln, 1848.

77 posted on 09/26/2002 7:54:06 PM PDT by groanup
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To: another cricket
Lincoln had not done one damn thing to them at that point.
"In 1861, President Lincoln appointed Dana as United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Massachusetts. As such, in 1863, he successfully defended the United States in the Prize Cases before the United States Supreme Court (these were a group of cases, consolidated for appeal, on the capture of ships attempting to break the blockade of the Confederate ports. The issue argued revolved around two separate issues: was the Rebellion a "war" and when did the "Civil War" begin, in April, '61, with President Lincoln's Declaration of a blockade or in the summer when Congress approved what the president had done. The court unanimously ruled in favor of the administration's position that the Rebellion was a war but more narrowly (5-4) supporting the premise that the president's call for troops on April marked the beginning of the war. Not surprisingly Chief Justice Taney felt that the war could only begin when Congress said it did, very much as he had done in ex parte Merryman [67 U.S. (2 Black) 635]."
Lincoln did start the War.
169 posted on 09/26/2002 9:29:06 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: another cricket
"That the south fired first is undisputed."

But Lincoln manipulated the into it, just as Roosevelt did the Japanese.

250 posted on 09/27/2002 1:47:19 PM PDT by Aurelius
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