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To: Larry Lucido
"The North, it seems, have no more objections to slavery than the South have..."

John Stuart Mill, 1861.

"The Northern onslaught upon slavery was no more than a piece of specious humbug designed to conceal its desire for economic control of the Southern states."

Charles Dickens, 1862.

I know, they don't know what they're talking about. Slavery was the ONLY cause of a war fought by brother against brother. Never mind that the Constitution provided for slavery. Never mind that the Emancipation Proclomation freed no slave. Never mind that Lincoln was not a great proponent of the black race.

"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it be freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some an leaving others alone I would do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union, and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union."

Abraham Lincoln to Horace Greeley, 22 August 1862.

"It must be admitted, truth compels me to admit...Abraham Lincoln was not, in the fullest sense of the word, either our man or our model. In his interests, in his associations, in his habits of thought, and in his prejudices, he was a white man. He was preeminently the white man's president, entirely devoted to the welfare of white men. He was ready and willing at any time during the last years of his administration to deny, postpone, and sacrifice the rights of humanity in the colored people, to promote the welfare of the white people of his country."

Frederick Douglass, noted African-American leader.

24 posted on 09/26/2002 7:06:15 PM PDT by groanup
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To: groanup
Regardless of why the war started, or who won, the bravery of the soldiers, both blue and grey, white and black was beyond comprehension.

To stand 5 feet apart, muskets blasting at each other took some mighty brave men. I can't imagine the amount of courage it took.

For that matter, in the dark ages, to stand belly to belly, hacking away at each other with 20 lb swords makes modern warfare pale.

Not taking anything from our soldiers today, but those some very brave men.

One 3 day battle in the civil war (Gettysburg, I think), in one day 50,000 men were killed or wounded. That figure comes close to the entire loss of our soldiers in Vietnam.

I watched the entire series, just shaking my head at the magnitude of it.
41 posted on 09/26/2002 7:19:51 PM PDT by Lokibob
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To: groanup
Lincoln was a sick man. He was obsessed with saving the Union--at whatever cost.
56 posted on 09/26/2002 7:33:06 PM PDT by Pushi
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To: groanup
Good points, all, and while I think that Abraham Lincoln was the right person at the right time in history, he had flaws as Frederick Douglas notes.

And you're right, slavery wasn't the only reason for the war. But the rift that led to secession had its roots in the preservation of slavery in the states and expansion into the territories (at least so as to avoid a predominance of free states).

Lincoln or no Lincoln, the peculiar institution would have ended sooner or later, and given the predisposition of those who believed that their lifestyle depended upon slave labor not to give it up, the issue was certain to be forced by violence. Just MHO, of course.

157 posted on 09/26/2002 9:07:54 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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