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I have read through this whole thread...and as usual, the Civil War discussion has been almost exclusively of slavery.

Sigh..how to persuade those that it was of states rights, is a useless endeavor.

The slavery issue was only brought about by the continuous efforts of the anti-slavery lobby itself in the political forum.

Abe Lincoln, himself, did not consider it an issue, until forced into a corner to be re-elected.

And may we never forget that when the draft was instituted by the Union, there were riots in Manhattan where free negroes were killed in protest.

Sorry, but to yall who consider slavery to be the main issue of the Civil War....you are foolishly mistaken.

175 posted on 09/26/2002 10:51:55 PM PDT by Conservababe
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Abe Lincoln, himself, did not consider it an issue, until forced into a corner to be re-elected.

Lincoln did consider slavery an issue in the Civil War. On June 16, 1858, before the war, Lincoln declared that the issue of slavery would not be resolved until the nation was all slave or all free, "A house divided against itself cannot stand". While he may have not taken a stance on the right or wrong of slavey, he did realize that it was an issue. To say otherwise is revisionist tripe that is common on these threads.

176 posted on 09/26/2002 11:09:49 PM PDT by socal_parrot
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there were riots in Manhattan where free negroes were killed in protest.

Also, these riots were mainly conducted by Irish immigrants that were upset that the blacks would take their jobs when they went to war. It was not a pro-slavery riot. More revisionist tripe.

177 posted on 09/26/2002 11:14:25 PM PDT by socal_parrot
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The reason I argue that slavery was the motivation for secession is because I have actually read every Article of Secession and every one of them said that they were seceding because they wanted to preserve slavery.

You could look it up.

I have lived in the South my entire life. I was taught that the Civil War was about state's rights, and tariffs, not slavery.

Actually reading the Articles of Secession opened my eyes.
187 posted on 09/27/2002 5:25:53 AM PDT by CobaltBlue
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Sorry, but to yall who consider slavery to be the main issue of the Civil War....you are foolishly mistaken.

From the Northern point, slavery was not the issue. From the southern point, slavery was.

232 posted on 09/27/2002 10:41:09 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Conservobabe
Sigh..how to persuade those that it was of states rights, is a useless endeavor.

Horse feathers. Just read the Declarations of Secession, which are readily available on-line, and they'll tell you all about what "states rights" really meant to the south.

You will note that THE REASON provided for secession was slavery. Slavery! While the North may have fought for a variety of reasons, the Southern states were clear on the point. They seceded, and fought, for the "states' rights" to keep slaves.

You will also note that secession was merely the culmination of a long series of sectional crises, which were also ALL ABOUT SLAVERY. The battle lines were drawn almost immediately after the nation began. By 1820 the two sections had to hammer out the Missouri Compromise. The Compromise of 1850 occurred because the South realized that the MO compromise only permitted slavery in the desert states -- and that controversy almost ended up in a Civil War. And the Kansas-Nebraska act of 1854, which did end up in a war over slavery, was again a result of the South wanting to expand slavery.

Finally, upon Lincoln's election, the South saw that the institution of slavery was finished. And so they seceded before Lincoln could take office. (A cowardly act.)

So don't give us that state's rights stuff. The only state's right the south admitted to caring about was slavery, and they were willing to fight a war over it.

236 posted on 09/27/2002 11:39:25 AM PDT by r9etb
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