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To: Jalapeno
Thank God justice was done in this case. If Westerfield had been aquitted and this guy killed another person, how could the defense laywers have lived with themselves.

I'm thinking about the Avila case, where this actually happened. He was aquitted of molesting two young girls before murdering that precious little girl in L.A. I don't know if the lawyers who defended him in the molestation case knew he was guilty but I don't think they care. I wonder how they live with themselves now?

84 posted on 09/19/2002 9:11:30 PM PDT by slimer
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To: slimer
It's not the defense's job to throw a case which "probably" is guilty.
85 posted on 09/19/2002 9:12:45 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: slimer; All
Here's a good article on this topic which explains the adversarial system, of which O'Reilly is abominably ignorant.

DEFENDERS IN EYE OF PUBLIC STORM


Story of plea attempt raises ire of many

By Alex Roth
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

September 18, 2002

People in San Diego and around the country reacted with outrage yesterday to the notion that a defense lawyer who knows his client committed a horrible crime could tell a jury the client couldn't be guilty.

Their anger was incited by a report in The San Diego Union-Tribune, quoting unnamed sources, that David Westerfield's lawyers offered early in the case to have their client tell police where to find the body of 7-year-old Danielle van Dam if prosecutors would not seek the death penalty.

Though his actions angered many, defense attorneys defended Steven Feldman yesterday.

"David Westerfield's defense attorney knew he was guilty ... but he tried to mislead the jury anyway!" announced the Web site of "The O'Reilly Factor," the Fox News Channel national talk show. "Can anyone defend this kind of behavior?"

Actually – yes, they can.

A number of criminal defense lawyers voiced strong support yesterday for the conduct of Westerfield's defense team. It is not only ethical, these lawyers say, but obligatory to raise an aggressive defense for any client who is on trial in a criminal case.

To think otherwise, they argue, is to lack the most basic understanding of the Constitution.

"The United States of America was founded on some bedrock values," said Michael Ogul, an Alameda County public defender who has handled several capital cases. "And one of those bedrock values is that everyone, not just the innocent, has the right to a trial to see whether the government can prove its case."

The chatter about the story was furious yesterday on television, talk radio and the Internet, most of it from people who watched Westerfield's lawyers argue at trial that their client – for a variety of scientific and other reasons – couldn't have committed the crime.

But most experienced criminal defense attorneys say their job isn't to decide whether their client committed the offense. In fact, many defense lawyers have a policy of never asking the client that question.

Their role, they say, is to make sure their client isn't convicted unless the prosecution can prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. And it's impossible to make the prosecution meet its burden without aggressively challenging the evidence, even if the defender believes the client committed the crime.

The defense lawyers interviewed yesterday say the system would fail if they began asking which of their clients deserved a vigorous defense and which did not.

"If you defend your client, you can't make independent determinations of whether he's guilty or not guilty," San Diego defense lawyer Marc Carlos said. "Because one of these days we could be wrong."

This obligation is especially important in a death-penalty case, these lawyers argue.

"If they're trying to kill the guy, then they better be able to prove their case in court," Ogul said. "What's the guy supposed to do? Volunteer to be executed?"


Ethical limits
Deputy District Attorney Jeff Dusek, the lead prosecutor in the Westerfield case, refused comment on the newspaper story, saying plea negotiations in all criminal cases are confidential.
Westerfield's lead attorney, Steven Feldman, hasn't talked to the media beyond making a short statement shortly after the jury recommended the death penalty Monday. He couldn't be reached late yesterday.

Feldman is well-respected in the local legal community and has frequently won praise from prosecutors for his dedication to his clients and his skill in defending them.

The newspaper's sources said prosecutors were on the verge of accepting the offer of Westerfield's defense team – a life-without-parole sentence in exchange for information about where to find the body – when volunteers discovered Danielle's remains off Dehesa Road east of El Cajon on Feb. 27.

Prosecutors no longer had any incentive to make a deal and the potential plea bargain collapsed, the sources said. Such negotiations cannot be used as evidence in a trial.

Legal experts said Westerfield's defense team was acting ethically on behalf of their client in an attempt to spare him the death penalty a jury eventually recommended.

There are ethical limits to what a criminal defense lawyer can do on behalf of a client. California State Bar guidelines forbid lawyers from knowingly letting a client lie on the witness stand.

If the client insists on testifying anyway, the defense lawyer has an obligation to tell the judge in private that the client will be testifying over the objection of his counsel, according to San Diego defense attorney Gerald Blank.

But preventing a client from lying on the witness stand is entirely different from telling a jury the client is not guilty of the crime, Blank said.

In the opinion of Blank and other defense attorneys, asserting that the client is not guilty is different from asserting innocence.

"Innocent" means the client didn't do it. "Not guilty" means the state doesn't have the evidence to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, Blank said. Jurors return guilty or not-guilty verdicts. In rare cases a judge will make a finding that a defendant is innocent.

"The entire framework of the United States and California constitutions is that no one goes to prison unless the government's got proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the person committed the crime," he said. "That's the bulwark of our freedom."


Emphasized doubts
Throughout the Westerfield trial, Feldman and co-counsel Robert Boyce avoided the word "innocent." Instead, they aggressively challenged every prosecution theory, every prosecution witness, offering any number of possible alternative explanations for the evidence along the way.
Feldman told the jury that scientific testimony from bug experts would prove it was "impossible" for his client to have dumped Danielle's body. He told the jury no trace of Westerfield was found anywhere in the van Dams' house.

"We have doubts," Feldman said in his opening statements of the trial. "We have doubts as to the cause of death. We have doubts as to the identity of Danielle van Dam's killer. We have doubts as to who left her where she resided, where she remained. And we have doubts as to who took her."

Three months later, the jury returned a verdict reflecting its belief that those doubts were not reasonable.



90 posted on 09/19/2002 9:17:05 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: slimer
I don't know if the lawyers who defended him in the molestation case knew he was guilty but I don't think they care.

That was evident when Bill O'Reilly interviewed him on the air the day after Avila was captured.

I wonder how they live with themselves now?

Evidently the guy had no problem with it. In fact, he was too busy being indignant with O'Reilly's DARING to criticize him, to worry about the fact that he'd likely been accessory to a child's murder.

218 posted on 09/20/2002 3:09:41 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: slimer
I'm thinking about the Avila case, where this actually happened. He was aquitted of molesting two young girls before murdering that precious little girl in L.A. I don't know if the lawyers who defended him in the molestation case knew he was guilty but I don't think they care. I wonder how they live with themselves now?

Remember, these are attorneys we're talking about. After the conviction of Avila of murder, the attorneys of the previous case, as well as the most recent, had some coffee, set a tee time, and checked their savings accounts.

In short, its just a job, man, just a job.

258 posted on 09/20/2002 9:03:56 AM PDT by Thommas
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To: slimer
If Westerfield had been aquitted and this guy killed another person, how could the defense laywers have lived with themselves.

I would think the defense lawyers, who knew the truth, would be on the short list for a killin'.

Getting him off, could have been signing their own death warrant.

262 posted on 09/20/2002 9:15:06 AM PDT by Lower55
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