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I never said "thought." I said "knew."

That's not the way I understood this exchange:

It's not the defense's job to throw a case which "probably" is guilty.

He doesn't have to "throw" it. If he has a shred of morality, he tells the judge that he cannot continue as attorney, on ethical and moral grounds.

The way I read this, you are saying that if an attorney has a shred of morality, he can't continue as an attorney if he has a client who is "probably" guilty. If you are saying that that instead of "probably," you mean "knows for sure," I don't have a big problem with that.

I'm sorry I wasn't clear. Keep in mind that plea bargaining is the rule rather than the exception. This indicates that more than a few defense attorneys KNOW their clients are guilt.

I don't know what percentage of plea bargains fail and the case proceeds to trial. But in that event, either it means the defense attorney is willing to go on and defend someone he knows is guilty, or conversely he is lazy and willing to see his client plead guilty to a lesser charge just to get rid of the case.

Either way, it doesn't sound like defense attorneys keep justice near the top of their list of priorities.