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Fox talk show host calls for disbarment of Westerfield lawyers('Cause He was Really Guilty)
Court TV ^ | Harriet Ryan

Posted on 09/19/2002 7:03:56 PM PDT by Jalapeno

Fox talk show host calls for disbarment of Westerfield lawyers

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Defense lawyers for David Westerfield confer at trial.


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KEYWORDS: capitalcrimes; deathpenatly; westerfield
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To: rintense
Being a lawyer has nothing to do with it.

Ah, but it does. If you were a lawyer, then you would know that ethics and morality can be easily twisted to serve your own needs, pet theory, or client's interests. In short, a lawyer can and does rationalize anything and everything to do his/her job.

This is what is so infuriating when discussing a topic with one; he/she will take one side of an issue and spend forever defending it, debating it. Right and Wrong has nothing to do with WINNING the debate, discussion, argument, or defense of a client's position. Get it?

:-)

261 posted on 09/20/2002 9:14:37 AM PDT by Thommas
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To: slimer
If Westerfield had been aquitted and this guy killed another person, how could the defense laywers have lived with themselves.

I would think the defense lawyers, who knew the truth, would be on the short list for a killin'.

Getting him off, could have been signing their own death warrant.

262 posted on 09/20/2002 9:15:06 AM PDT by Lower55
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To: Lower55
I think the twelve jurors and the judge would have deserved the same, no?
263 posted on 09/20/2002 9:18:17 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Thommas
Ah, but it does. If you were a lawyer, then you would know that ethics and morality can be easily twisted to serve your own needs, pet theory, or client's interests. In short, a lawyer can and does rationalize anything and everything to do his/her job.

Precisely why I am not a laywer. I couldn't live with myself, let alone do a job, where I am forced to compromise my own ethics and morality. I'll stick to web design... ;)

264 posted on 09/20/2002 9:20:57 AM PDT by rintense
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To: Thommas; rintense
California rules of conduct for attorneys: Rule 5200 states: "A lawyer shall not seek to mislead the judge, judicial officer, or jury by an artifice or false statement of fact or law." You just don't get it. This rule of conduct 1) does not proscribe punishment if violated, ergo is unenforceable and inconsequential, 2) refers to lawyers, not DEFENSE LAWYERS, 3) does not state that posing fabricated alternate scenerios is an artifice or false statement.

See, if you were an attorney, this would be so simple.

(1) and (2) are false. The rule applies to all lawyers, and carries penalties including disbarment. (3) is correct. A lawyer who is not a witness can make arguments as to inferences from the evidence without violating the rule. What the lawyer cannot do is lie about something in his personal knowledge (e.g., ask for a mistrial by falsely accusing the DA of not giving him a required notice) or offer false evidence (doctored documents, a witness he knows is lying, etc.)

265 posted on 09/20/2002 9:24:25 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian
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To: rintense
I'm late to the thread, so apologies if someone else has pointed this out.

Westerfield was also charged with (and found guilty of) possession of child pornography.

The defense tried to say it was his 18 year old son's!

The prosecution was put in the position of having to call the son to the stand to testify, whereupon he had to testify that he did view some pornography, but it was of adult women, not children.

That is what the defense did to Westerfield's own son.

266 posted on 09/20/2002 9:34:51 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Get real. Feldman would never imply guilt of the crime for which he was defending Westerfield. If he did, it would be a mistrial.

He said it during the sentencing, not the trial.

267 posted on 09/20/2002 9:36:25 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: spqrzilla9
That's not true, his first lawyer wasn't a criminal defense lawyer. And he didn't withdraw.

Howard Weitzman was on O'Reilly just last night! What are you talking about?

268 posted on 09/20/2002 9:45:15 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Illbay
I doubt that you are any more astonished than most of us are at those, like you, who continue to aggressively defend a child murderer. It's beyond silly, though. It's downright evil.

You are a liar plain and simple. I did not ever "aggressively defend a child murderer".
269 posted on 09/20/2002 9:45:53 AM PDT by spqrzilla9
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To: spqrzilla9
O'Reilly is a blithering moronic loudmouth.

I disagree. O'Reilly is dead on in this one. The legal system is unworthy of existence if it seeks to protect a child rapist and murderer. I don't really give a rats a$$ what the law says. If he admits his guilt to the defense, the case should stop right there and the bastard should be sentenced to death. Where has the morality of this country gone, anyway?

270 posted on 09/20/2002 9:46:16 AM PDT by YoungKentuckyConservative
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To: Thommas
Ah, but that applies to the attorneys playing on both sides of the court room. If in this case it is unthinkable for Feldman to represent someone the media says he knows is guilty and threaten with charges, is it not then reasonable to do the same for prosecutors?

There is a case in Escondito, maybe you've heard of it Stephanie Crowe. The DA was willing to prosecute 14 year old boys based on a forced confession.

My question remains, should not the same measure be used for both sides?
271 posted on 09/20/2002 9:46:37 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: cyncooper
Weitzman wasn't his first lawyer.
272 posted on 09/20/2002 9:47:01 AM PDT by spqrzilla9
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To: Jalapeno
Anybody got the phone number? I'd like to call and leave a "venemous" message of my own (since the cowards won't answer the phont).
273 posted on 09/20/2002 9:47:23 AM PDT by YoungKentuckyConservative
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To: YoungKentuckyConservative
Amazingly enough, despite the best efforts of irresponsible and sensation seeking twits like O'Reilly, the Bill of Rights still protects all people's right to a fair trial.
274 posted on 09/20/2002 9:48:46 AM PDT by spqrzilla9
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To: spqrzilla9
Where did Westerfield's attorney present a witness that he knew was testifying falsely?

Perhaps the witnesses didn't testify falsely. But he did present witnesses to try to mislead the jury.

For example, they presented a computer expert to try to imply that Westerfield's son was the porn collector.

Also Feldman produced pictures of investigators wearing orange in order to lead the jury to believe those items were the source of incriminating orange fibers found on the victim and in Westerfield's environment.

The prosecution, in rebuttal, refuted these points. But the fact remains the defense was spinning a tale for the jury they knew to be false.

275 posted on 09/20/2002 9:50:28 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: spqrzilla9
That hardly refutes the point. Weitzman stated clearly he recused himself because of what he believed he knew about the case and he ethically could not continue with the case.

He stated he was not comfortable watching OJ's trial and the defense presenting the "Nicole was killed by drug dealers" scenario.

He said he does not think it is right for defense attorneys to spin a tale they know to be false in order to gain an acquittal.
276 posted on 09/20/2002 9:54:28 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Illbay
This whole idea of people having constitutional rights seems to be beyond your comprehension.
277 posted on 09/20/2002 9:57:53 AM PDT by spqrzilla9
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To: spqrzilla9
Weitzman wasn't his first lawyer.

From Kim's link in #122.

Looks like he was OJ's first lawyer.

Weitzman, Howard

Simpson legal counsel. Withdrew in the opening days of Simpson case, citing his close personal friendship with O.J. Contends police barred Simpson from having attorneys present during his questioning the day after the murders.

278 posted on 09/20/2002 10:01:18 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
Each of your examples are legitimate points for the defense to make to question the validity of the evidence the prosecution is presenting. In all the cases, the testimony was true and relevant.
279 posted on 09/20/2002 10:01:29 AM PDT by spqrzilla9
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To: Jaded
Gloria Allred didn't defend the Menendez brothers, Leslie Abramson did.

Here's the difference.
Leslie Abramson didn't claim they didn't do it - she claimed they were driven to it by years of abuse. She used the "abuse excuse" well enough to get a hung jury the first time, but it didn't work again the second time.

If Leslie Abramson had claimed the parents committed suicide - then she would have been pulling a Feldy.

280 posted on 09/20/2002 10:03:04 AM PDT by EllaMinnow
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