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Fox talk show host calls for disbarment of Westerfield lawyers('Cause He was Really Guilty)
Court TV ^ | Harriet Ryan

Posted on 09/19/2002 7:03:56 PM PDT by Jalapeno

Fox talk show host calls for disbarment of Westerfield lawyers

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Defense lawyers for David Westerfield confer at trial.


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KEYWORDS: capitalcrimes; deathpenatly; westerfield
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To: RepubMommy
I like the guy (O'Reilly). I admit, I don't always agree with him, but he has what you and I call 'Common Sense'!

what kind of a world do we live in when a lawyer can decieve the public and the jury about someone who could do something so dispicable to a child. the guy knew what he did, and yet continued to drag this poor greiving family through the mud. I hate this lawyer and I hope he does get disbarred!

241 posted on 09/20/2002 6:55:32 AM PDT by hunyb
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To: roob
Then why waste what little resources he had left? He'd already pled not guilty. Why change in 24 hours?
242 posted on 09/20/2002 6:56:25 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: rintense
He confessed to his lawyers, which is why they were in the process of of a plea bargain- whereabouts of the body in exchange for no death penalty.

This senario is not likely. I do not believe that Westerfield had any intention to confess. There is no credible information about this fact. The only thing you have here is a rumored plea bargain offer that is absolutely a normal practice and is usually offered by the procecution.

IE: "Look here MR. Atty., we have all this evidence, we know your client is guilty so why don't you tell us where the body is so that we can bring closure to the family. We will not go for the death penalty in return."

My contention is that this is all that happened here and Brilliant Bill O'reilly has stuck his foot in his mouth again!

243 posted on 09/20/2002 7:02:46 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Lower55
Did you hear OJ's first lawyer 'all but' admit he knew OJ did it.

I hadn't heard about that. Who was his first lawyer and how did he "all but" admit OJ did it while being constrained by lawyer-client privledge? Was he ever sanctioned?
244 posted on 09/20/2002 7:12:28 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Illbay
He doesn't have to "throw" [a case where the defendent is "probably" guilty]. If he has a shred of morality, he tells the judge that he cannot continue as attorney, on ethical and moral grounds.

If all lawyers did this, no defendent who was "probably" guilty could ever get a defense.
245 posted on 09/20/2002 7:16:21 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Richard Kimball
If a defense attorney got up in court and said "all right, I know my client is guilty...." and then refused to present a defense...

Said defense attorney would never get a client again. If you were accused of a crime (guilty or not) would YOU hire the guy?

If I were innocent, yes I would.


You had better hope that lawyer never changes his personal opinion of you then...
246 posted on 09/20/2002 7:22:17 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Texas Yellow Rose
Doesn't what you posted pretty much confirm your question? I'm not sure what you're looking for.
247 posted on 09/20/2002 7:36:24 AM PDT by rintense
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To: wirestripper
Then why and the world would his lawyers offer a plea bargain with a body location and guilty plea in exchange for life in prison??????
248 posted on 09/20/2002 7:37:35 AM PDT by rintense
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To: rintense
Question? Would it not have been better for all sides to accomplish a plea deal, even with the body? Get an admission of guilt. Life in prison. Save the parents from re-living the details. Save tax payer millions. Avoid a media circus. etc...etc...etc...

If this story is true, then the plea, after the body was found, was even more appealing to all sides. Even with the death penalty, Westerfield will probably die before he even reaches the chamber.
249 posted on 09/20/2002 7:51:10 AM PDT by X-Servative
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To: Stone Mountain
If all lawyers did this, no defendent who was "probably" guilty could ever get a defense.

Say that you are an honest, moral person who happens to be a defense lawyer.

You want justice. Are you going to abandon a client because you THINK the MIGHT be guilty? No. But you're going to insist on the truth. You're going to make the prosecution prove it's case.

But say you come across a defendant who says "look, tell the DA I'll tell 'em where the child's body was dumped if they'll drop the death penalty. We'll talk about maybe 20 years or whatever. Offer 'em that."

So you do, and then the body is recovered. What do you do then?

No, sorry, you don't proceed along trying to get your client off. You don't try to do so by LYING. You KNOW he did it; he's told you so. So you're supposed so serve some sort of "greater good" by pretending that you really think some one else did it?

Sorry, this is just an untenable side of this argument. You people are trying to make this a noble thing, and it's not. It's just SLEAZY.

250 posted on 09/20/2002 8:17:09 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: X-Servative
Not if you believe the punishment should fit the crime.
251 posted on 09/20/2002 8:18:22 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
You are replying to a different point. I wasn't talking about this case; I was replying to your point when you said that a lawyer who thought his client was probably guilty should recuse himself from the case. I was simply pointing out that if every lawyer did that, no person who looked probably guilty could get a defense.
252 posted on 09/20/2002 8:22:14 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Illbay
say you come across a defendant who says "look, tell the DA I'll tell 'em where the child's body was dumped if they'll drop the death penalty. We'll talk about maybe 20 years or whatever. Offer 'em that."

There's nothing that says this was the way it went down. All that was reported was that a plea bargain was discussed among the lawyers. Nobody is claiming that Westerfield said anything like the above.
253 posted on 09/20/2002 8:26:39 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Illbay
In a place like Texas I'd agree with you. But this is CA. Westerfield will sit on death row for 20 years, in better conditions than if he'd received life. Besides, the general population would be far more efficient administering punishment than CA.
254 posted on 09/20/2002 8:26:49 AM PDT by X-Servative
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To: rintense
California rules of conduct for attorneys: Rule 5200 states: "A lawyer shall not seek to mislead the judge, judicial officer, or jury by an artifice or false statement of fact or law."

You just don't get it. This rule of conduct 1) does not proscribe punishment if violated, ergo is unenforceable and inconsequential, 2) refers to lawyers, not DEFENSE LAWYERS, 3) does not state that posing fabricated alternate scenerios is an artifice or false statement.

See, if you were an attorney, this would be so simple.

255 posted on 09/20/2002 8:48:20 AM PDT by Thommas
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To: Thommas
Tell me this. Why is it that O'Reilly has had lawyers agree with his assessment, including Judge Andrew Napolitano??? There have even been lawyers here on FR who have also stated the lawyers are in violation. So there you have it. You will interpret the statute as you will. Being a lawyer has nothing to do with it.
256 posted on 09/20/2002 8:54:56 AM PDT by rintense
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To: X-Servative
I'm of the mind that any time the media gets involved in a high profile case such as this, they make it the circus. Think of how many other cases like this aren't publicized.

The plea makes me sick only because they used a child's body as a bargaining chip. Nevermind there were grieving parents and hundreds of police man hours involved. Yeah, they were just doing their job. But that doesn't mean I have to like it. ;)

257 posted on 09/20/2002 8:57:39 AM PDT by rintense
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To: slimer
I'm thinking about the Avila case, where this actually happened. He was aquitted of molesting two young girls before murdering that precious little girl in L.A. I don't know if the lawyers who defended him in the molestation case knew he was guilty but I don't think they care. I wonder how they live with themselves now?

Remember, these are attorneys we're talking about. After the conviction of Avila of murder, the attorneys of the previous case, as well as the most recent, had some coffee, set a tee time, and checked their savings accounts.

In short, its just a job, man, just a job.

258 posted on 09/20/2002 9:03:56 AM PDT by Thommas
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To: Stone Mountain
He was on O'Reilly last night. O'Rielly suggested that he knew his client was guilty, and he didn't dissagree. I forgot his name. His long time friend/attorney.
259 posted on 09/20/2002 9:04:41 AM PDT by Lower55
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To: spqrzilla9
That's not true, his first lawyer wasn't a criminal defense lawyer. And he didn't withdraw.

Oh yes it is. I suggest you hunt some facts before piping up on these matters.

260 posted on 09/20/2002 9:07:25 AM PDT by Lower55
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