Elizabeth Smart thread, August 24-31, 2002

[IamHD]

I don't know when Utahn children start school, but Elizabeth should/would be starting the 9th grade, soon. :(

[cherry]

faith , that is a horrible case and story and it goes along with a case I heard of, don't know where it happened, but a convicted child killer was willing to tell parents where their little ones were buried for $20,000!!!!

talk about evil....

[GovernmentShrinker]

Unfortunately, there was a very real need for a group like the Danites. The Missourians' persecution of the Mormons is an appalling chapter in U.S. history, with one of the more memorable elements being a formal court decision by one Judge Lawless (I swear that was his real name!) that since everybody hated the Mormons, it was perfectly legal to violently run them out of the county and seize all their property (just after it had been greatly improved by their hard labor). The Danites did fine work at one Missouri election, when the non-Mormons tried to use threats and violence to prevent any Mormons from voting -- the Danites made sure that plan was abandoned quickly.

While some of the activities of the Danites sound pretty unspeakable to our modern ears, they were mild compared to what some of the Mormons' enemies were doing to Mormons (for the uninitiated, read up on the Haun's Mill Massacre)and, as previously illustrated, seeking a peaceful legal remedy wasn't a very realistic option in 1830s Missouri.

[Sherlock]

Who's this picture, Jolly Green?

[Neenah]

Hahahahahahaa !! Thank you ! Thank you very much, I will be appearing all week...drive carefully !!

[Neenah]

JOLLY GREEN

Nooooo, Jolly stands way above us all !!!!

[Neenah]

Grrrrrrr !! Of all people to screw up !! hahhaaa!!

[Sherlock]

And I do want to belive you.

It doesn't sound like it. All this ranting may make sense to you but it is malicious childishness to me. He never said he gave Ricci a key. If he did because he trusted him at one time, and didn't change the locks, that was a grave error but not deserving of an immature diatribe like this. Grow up, Neenah.

[Neenah]

Jolly Green stands above the crowd

[sandude]

Why does Dinse keep saying that this is an "unusual case"??

There are many reasons, at least for those of us who feel that Ricci was involved. The vehicle used to transport the victim was previously owned by her family so any trace DNA found in it would be easily refuted in court. That alone would make this an unusual crime. Another factor would be that it appears like a kidnapping for ransom, but no ransom was ever demanded. It would also seem that it was very well planned. The hitch that prevented this from being a potential perfect crime was that Mary Katherine awoke and witnessed the abduction. Coupled with this is the probability that the abductor had no idea he had been spotted until several hours later when the news media grabbed the story. Had Mary Katherine slept through the abduction, then I think that the police would have never mobilized so quickly and probably would never have focused in on Ricci. There would have been no muddy Jeep to return to Moul's on the 8th. We may never know what the original plan was. Were the kidnappers going to ask for their ransom early, within the first few days, or were they going to wait until the police had all but given up on the case to contact the Smarts? I do think that it is safe to assume that if Ricci was the man who entered the Smart home that night, then Elizabeth was doomed no matter what. We know that no mask was used and so Elizabeth would have known who had taken her and would therefore have been a threat.

[freedox]

" Ricci told the officer he was suffering from a headache and breathing problems, prompting the officer to call for medical help."

I just now got the time to go back and do some research on this. From what I can find, today's Deseret News article is the first to mention headache (a classic symptom of a ruptured aneurysm) as one of Ricci's complaints. Five news sources (FOX News, MSNBC, Salt Lake Tribune, KSL.com and the Associated Press) all report only that Ricci was experiencing difficulty breathing when he called for assistance.......none of these news sources reported a headache as being one of Ricci's complaints. It might be noted that among those five news sources, 3 different LE/Correction Dept. spokespersons are named as providers of information.....none of the three mentioned headache as one of Ricci's symptoms.

From the brief reading that I have done on ruptured brain aneurysms, I can find no source which lists breathing difficulties as a commonly related symptom. I have, however, found several sources that list severe headache as the most common symptom.

I just wondered when (and by whom) the headache had been added on as one of Ricci's initial complaints.

[sandude]

seriously, aren't some people here saying that the case is solved and Ricci is it ??

I believe that much of the evidence against Ricci is circumstantial. Any forensic evidence that they may have could probably be explained away by a good defense lawyer. Elizabeth's body would certainly offer valuable clues at this point. The location of the body could also show a tie between the mud and pine needles found in the Jeep.

[freedox]

LOL!! Sherlock, you've been attacking Neenah from every angle you can come up with!! You can keep it up if you like, but I just don't think it's gonna work........

[Neenah]

Hmmmmmm...let me break bread first, and get back to you, freedox. I thought I heard one of the morning shows say this too.

But I am not grown up yet, so it just may be my immaturity. (did I spell that w-r-i-t-e..ahhhh r-i-g-h-t ? )

[freedox]

LOL!! I'll save you some trouble. Bella posted a reference to a spokesman reportedly saying on the Today Show that Ricci had complained of a headache. I just found it odd that that particular symptom was not reported by the first three spokesmen......since it IS commonly associated with a ruptured brain aneurysm, whereas breathing difficulties are not.

[freedox]

Addendum: For those who might not follow my drift, it appears that the symptoms were amended after the fact to fit the reported diagnosis.

[Sherlock]

It's hard to believe a "businessman" would be so naieve when it comes to a two-bit punk like Ricci.

Again you Smart haters are so chomping at the bit to rip them apart that you're inventing facts again. No one has said Ed Smart gave Ricci a key. This is what Neenah posted and I have no idea where she got it from, she is certainly not a credible source when it comes to the Smarts. She has been nearly salivating posting her anti-Smart rubbish all day long:

In the interview, he was asked why he thought Ricci was involved in this abduction. ONE of the reasons why was..Ricci POTENTIALLY had a key to the house!

Note the shouting, the all caps wording designed to enflame the passions of the Smart-hating simpletons like herself. I would guess, if he said this, since there was no forced entry, they assume he may have stolen a key and had a copy made while working for them. But that wouldn't be salacious enough for you outfits.

[freedox]

I see you've opted to keep it up. Oh well.........

[Sherlock]

I knew Ricci had a key, and so did Ed. Why would he let him keep it?

What makes you think Ricci had a key that Ed knew about and Ed let him keep it?

Nice to know you've got your quacks in a row.

Nice line!

...nice PR move to bring Henry Lee in...

He's bringing in the #2 modern day Sherlock Holmes (next to myself of course) on the case and you think it's some kind of a show?!?! What this shows is he's waking up again and has as much suspicion of the police in this case as I do.