Judge Mudd Refuses Sequester Plea: Westerfield Jury Verdict In Sep? (Aug. 16th Verdict Watch)

Union Trib ^ | August 15, 2002 | Jeff Dillion/Steve Perez

[hoosiermama]

WHile looking for the significance of the left foot last night (ALa two girls in Texax and Chandra Levi missing or cover left foot) Found an article where the sacrafice WAS allowed to bleed to death. Blood was the intent of the sacrafice.

[wonders]

LOL! Your #224 is a classic!

[JudyB1938]

Ref the left foot: The ME testified there was no evidence at all that the foot had been cut off. (Think about all the bones and tendons and cartilage in the ankle: the ME would have found cut marks if the foot had been cut off.) The most reasonable explanation is that an animal carried it off. (The one I happen to believe.) The second most reasonable explanation is that the body was moved after it had decayed considerably and the foot simply fell off and was lost at the old location or in transit.
198 posted on 8/16/02 10:29 AM Pacific by wonders

I knew I'd read that, but didn't realize it was you who posted it. I know I'm wrong, but I fall back on how bitter I've become about "forensic scientists" during this trial. I've gotten to where I don't believe a word any of them say. I'll stick with the bugs and dogs. Like somebody else said, bugs and dogs don't lie.

However, I will admit that knife marks will show up on butchered bodies. Just like the Anasazi bodies that show signs of canibalism. The next time I cut up a chicken, I think I'll check for nicks on the bones and see if it's possible to leave them scathe free.

As far as a clean cut through skin and flesh at the ankle, that would certainly be noticeable - unless too much deterioration had set in. But if it was mummified, the area may have been preserved "as is". Do you know which it was?

I guess the reason I am so curious about this is because of the earlier discussion about missing left feet and socks being left on left feet and my puzzlement over the lack of bodily fluids.

[KnutCase]

Check out post #224.

[NatureGirl]

maybe it was some kind of "vampire" thing

Yes. Those deranged people that think that you can be a vampire.

On another note, if you search Google under "Matamoros" and murder, there's a story about a group of Mexicans who had seen a film called "The Believers" (scary film, so I've heard, but I'm not going to watch it!).

The head guy (in real life) decided that if he and his group performed human sacrifices, their shipments of drugs heading into the US would go without a hitch. The leader mixed in a lot of Santeria religion, along with his own twisted ideas that he had gleaned from the film.

I'm not saying that this has any relevance to this case. It's just to show what happens when people start following the wrong train of thought and get "caught up" in things that are better avoided.

[wonders]

I have no idea how you found the stamina to wade through this BORING bug testimony. I'm bout ready give up. :)

Yep, I know that feeling! I got it lots of times when picking through the BORING fibre evidence. But ya gotta do it if ya wanna find the truth. Sad, but true. :(

[sawsalimb]

Another thing that has bothered me. I wonder if all the DNA that is attributed as belonging to someone related to BVD is actually BVD's because she and DW were having a daytime secret affair? He couldn't say anything because for him to testify would open a whole can of worms, and she surely would not confess to such a thing and ruin her reputation. Such an affair would account for a whole lot of the evidence against DW.

I've wondered that also. It would explain a heck of a lot,and it might go a ways towards providing a motive for a frame-up.

[small_l_libertarian]

The insect expert prosecutors hoped would destroy David Westerfield's chances for acquittal stumbled badly during his turn on the witness stand Tuesday, capping confusing, overly technical testimony with the admission he made basic math errors in his findings.

Madison Lee Goff, one of the most experienced scientists in the small field of forensic entomology, blushed a deep red as a defense lawyer for the man accused of killing Danielle van Dam repeatedly confronted him with five separate errors in data he used to analyze bugs collected at the 7-year-old's autopsy.

Court TV Article

[JudyB1938]

WHile looking for the significance of the left foot last night (ALa two girls in Texax and Chandra Levi missing or cover left foot) Found an article where the sacrafice WAS allowed to bleed to death. Blood was the intent of the sacrafice.

YEAH, SEE! That's what I keep thinking and what may be the reason why they can't find a cause of death and why there was a lack of body fluids. If the blood had been drained, that would also account for quick mummification of the body. I have believed this from the very beginning, but I was a little off track in thinking maybe the blood had come from the vaginal area (that was missing on her body, IIRC).

[pinz-n-needlez]

Especially if Damon got jealous and insisted on framing DW.

he could hold the boys ransom, making her follow through on this plan....

It costs nothing to speculate. :-)

[small_l_libertarian]

If the blood had been drained, that would also account for quick mummification of the body.

Wow!!!

[Freedom2specul8]

I think they accounted for that by not finding the fluid in the ground..

[KnutCase]

How does DW (a suspected child porn enthusiast) fit into a group of stanic cultists?? Doesn't make sense. He doesn't seem like the type ...as if I knew what "type" would be involved. Not my area of interest or expertise.

[wonders]

I sorry, Judy I didn't mean to say you were wrong. Forensic experts aren't so bad, it's the way questions are framed in court... with Dusek demanding the experts to explain how such-and-such could be expected according to Dusek's own hypothetical theory. If you look at the plain testimony (minus any of Dusek's crazy self-contradictory hypothetical theories), the experts don't look so bad, at least Haskell and Faulkner sure don't.

[Freedom2specul8]

Found one of my old quotes.. :)

"the defense is trying to make the time of death equal to the weight of the blood, hair, fiber and child porn found on and in the property of DW....will it work?"

[Jaded]

I'll keep that in mind.

So I take it fighting off all the younguns keeps you in shape? You might not have time for me. But good for you anyway.

[JudyB1938]

About 30 years ago, there was a guy who believed he was a vampire here in Vegas. They found two drained bodies out in his back shed. It was on the 4 o'clock news. Then they blocked it. Don't want to disturb the tourists, doncha know. A friend of mine lived a few houses down. It was funny. Everybody put out garlic and crosses. They figured if he really believed he was a vampire that the garlic and crosses would work.

Then there's that recent case in England where the couple killed to drink the blood so that they could become immortal.

Crazy crazy people in this world! And to think they are organized into INTERNATIONAL porn rings with people in the highest positions! To railroad a person like Westerfield would be NOTHING to them! Just a convenient hot body to take the heat off their own selves.

[ican'tbelieveit]

Well since the blood, hair, and fiber are questionable at best, a joke in reality; and given that 4 bug witnesses agree I would say the bugs got it.

[wonders]

If the blood had been drained, that would also account for quick mummification of the body.

Who, besides Dusek, says it was quick?

[KnutCase]

When using the scale of justice.....one should not use a "butcher's thumb".