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Smart Case, August 5, 2002
August 5, 2002 | Neenah

Posted on 08/05/2002 8:50:20 AM PDT by Neenah

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To: sandude
For those of you who feel this way I submit that you ignore this attmpt by Neenah to censor me and go back to yesterday's thread and read my posts and the post of MadisonA's (#126).

sandude...if you read my post, I was NOT berating you at all...I admitted we ALL have thoughts of what might have happened. ME INCLUDED....I was just trying to set a president that it is really better to discuss what we know..or what has been given to us...I need to take that advise, and I think everyone should...otherwise, we are going to have a thousand sceanario's of what MAY have taken place, and we will loose site of what has been presented so far.

I respect your thought. And I don't think anyone should be censored. ok ? friends ?

41 posted on 08/05/2002 11:19:18 AM PDT by Neenah
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I have started a timeline, I have made it through the first 4 days of News reports and will add things to the timeline as I scan through the daily news reports in order. There is alot things in my head and memory that have not been added to the timeline and these will be added later. This is not going to be a short timeline.

The start of a Smart Case Timeline by Brigette, based on daily news reports
42 posted on 08/05/2002 11:22:41 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: brigette; IamHD; Paladin; Sherlock; HoHoeHeaux; Illbay; Neenah; sandude; Utah Girl; freedox; ...
Ping
43 posted on 08/05/2002 11:29:03 AM PDT by Jolly Green
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To: sandude
I think we have to accept that there are lots of theories and some are outlandish and some not....whatever your theory is/was ( I can't recall it right now) it is just as worthy for discussion or debunking as anyone else's...we sure are good at debunking......lol

let's just try to get along ....can we all agree that finding Lizzie is our #1 concern and making whoever took her the object of our hate and disdain....

in other words...everyone should keep posting....for better or for worse, we need to keep brain-storming...

44 posted on 08/05/2002 11:39:16 AM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry
I agree...

The rattlesnake bite causing a ransom kidnapping to go bad while they walked through the rough terrain to a waiting vehicle, it is a slim chance, put possile since snakes are abundant in Utah.

Or the Ricci was in with a Drug Dealer and owed him money, might be the reason that Ricci & someone else kidnapped her, again this is slim chance... put it is possible since Ricci is drug head.

It's not that I am set in thinking that these are what happened... these are slim real possibilities.
45 posted on 08/05/2002 11:51:18 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: Neenah
Good Job on starting the daily thread. I am off here until late tonight. I will be watch Ashley Banfield during the second run at 11pm tonight. I hope she is going to be there all week.
46 posted on 08/05/2002 11:58:21 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: spore-gasm
Found quite a few but not Banfield's, so I wrote an e-mail, requesting the one interview with Moul. I think there was only one.
47 posted on 08/05/2002 12:00:03 PM PDT by lakey
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To: Neenah
Thank you. Yes, that's what I did. See #47 answer to spore-gasm.
48 posted on 08/05/2002 12:02:19 PM PDT by lakey
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To: brigette
well here is my thought for the day:.... I believe Boylan when she says that she thinks the investigation has made no mis-steps...she stated that she thinks the investigation is headed in the right direction...she stated what her and MK have done will help the case...soooooooo...

she and Mark Klaus are good friends....and have worked together.......I would think that they would be conversing with each other on the case in private....

so I am going to be listening very carefully to Mark K....to his words..to his attitude...because that might give us a hint of what he knows about the inner workings of the investigation from his friend Jeannie...

for instance,,,if he comes out very positive in the next few interviews then perhaps he knows from Jeanie that they really do have their guy in their sites...

49 posted on 08/05/2002 12:04:13 PM PDT by cherry
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To: lakey
See if you can get the transcript from ABC's PrimeTime Live where they interviewed Moul also. This is where he says the Jeep disappeared and did not say he saw Ricci take it.
50 posted on 08/05/2002 12:12:23 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: All
Heavenly Father,

Your mercy knows no boundaries. You are not limited by time or space. We commit to You Elizabeth once again and we pray that by Your mercy, she would be brought home to her family. It has been two long months for this precious child, and yet we know that Your loving arms have never left her. We know You love her and are caring for her, Lord. Please convict the heart of the person who has information that will lead the investigators to her. We pray that You would shine a light in front of those who are diligently searching for her. We submit to Your perfect timing, Lord, and we trust in You for the answers that will surely come. In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen.

51 posted on 08/05/2002 12:24:09 PM PDT by Faith
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To: brigette
Oh, thank you! I didn't know about that one.
52 posted on 08/05/2002 12:27:39 PM PDT by lakey
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To: spore-gasm
Close to Home
Flummoxed so far, investigators take a harder look at the possibility that there might be a family connection in the kidnapping of 14-year-old Elizabeth Smart

By Kevin Peraino and Andrew Murr
NEWSWEEK

June 24 issue — Tom Smart emerged drawn and tired from Salt Lake City police headquarters. He’d just finished a session with investigators probing the disappearance of his niece, 14-year-old Elizabeth Smart, snatched from her bed in the middle of the night June 5 by an armed man in a tan, short-billed cap.

NOW INVESTIGATORS WERE EXPLORING the alibis of family members, including Tom, a 48-year-old photo editor at the Deseret News, the Mormon Church-owned daily paper. Slouched on a bench in the lobby after giving fingerprints and blood samples, Tom pledged full cooperation with investigators. It’s all right, “tear me apart” if you have to, as long as it will help solve the mystery, Smart told NEWSWEEK

. As frustrated police and hordes of volunteers continued to comb Utah’s deserts and mountains for Elizabeth and her abductor, investigators turned their attention last week to the missing teen’s family in an attempt to shake something—anything—loose. Elizabeth’s father, Edward Smart, a real-estate and mortgage broker, submitted to a polygraph test, and, NEWSWEEK has learned, came out clean, according to one well-placed law-enforcement source.

Polygraphs for other members of the prominent Mormon family, including Tom Smart, were “inconclusive,” the source said. An inconclusive test hardly means that a person is guilty of a crime—or even of trying to hide something. It indicates only that the subject neither failed nor completely passed the polygraph, an often-inaccurate investigative tool that measures the body’s involuntary stress reactions. Officials say they have no plans to give a second test to Tom—whose wife, Heidi, says “he was in bed with me all night” the evening Elizabeth disappeared.

Is it possible that the man police are hunting for, seen only by the frightened 9-year-old sister who shared a bedroom with Elizabeth, wasn’t some random stranger, but kin? Police were increasingly scrutinizing the extended family last week, even as they launched a frantic search to find and question a mysterious drifter who had attended a candlelight vigil for the missing blond teenager. “We decided to take a hard look at the family,” the law-enforcement source said. On Friday teams of FBI agents fanned out to nail down family members’ stories, trying to learn where each one was in the hours before and after Elizabeth’s disappearance. “It comes down to three things,” the source said. “Alibi, alibi, alibi.”

NORMAL PRODECURE
Focusing on the family is normal in child-abduction cases. And for good reason: in almost half the cases, the kidnapper is a relative, according to one study of 1997 cases. “You want to eliminate or reduce the possibility [that a family member did it] as quickly as possible,” says Kenneth Lanning, a retired supervisor in the FBI’s Crimes Against Children section. Salt Lake City police have repeatedly said they have no suspects yet, and that looking at the Smart clan is just “one among many theories,” according to Capt. Scott Atkinson, the lead police spokesman. “The family has been very cooperative,” Atkinson says.

Investigators’ efforts have hardly been limited to grilling the Smarts. By late last week 60 police officers and 40 FBI agents had run down thousands of leads. One involves a 26-year-old homeless drifter named Bret Michael Edmunds, whom police want to question because he was spotted driving slowly in the neighborhood just two mornings before the kidnapping, and later appeared at Elizabeth’s vigil. Police stressed that Edmunds, who has outstanding warrants for fraud and assaulting an officer, isn’t a suspect: for one thing, he stands 6 feet 2 inches and weighs 235, while the intruder described by Elizabeth’s sister is only 5 feet 8. Nonetheless, the search for Edmunds turned into an all-out manhunt by the end of the week, after boys playing in some cattails in a northern Salt Lake suburb found his discarded license plates. On Friday authorities were certain that they had nabbed Edmunds shoplifting from a department store in the Texas Panhandle, but the fingerprints did not match.

There are troubling questions about how a stranger could have broken into the Smarts’ million-dollar home and known exactly which of the seven bedrooms was Elizabeth’s. The Salt Lake Tribune reported Thursday that some investigators now think the screen on the kitchen window where the kidnapper was alleged to have entered was cut from the inside, a sign that the break-in may have been staged. But law-enforcement sources close to the investigation told NEWSWEEK that they “have no evidence of that.” Nonetheless, investigators are puzzled by how someone could have squeezed through the window, which is tall but not very wide and opens with a crank. “We’re not so confident about how he got in,” a source tells NEWSWEEK.

It didn’t help investigators that the crime scene was polluted before they could even set about their work. Elizabeth’s parents apparently had called friends and neighbors to start looking for the girl be-fore they phoned police at 4:01 a.m. By the time investigators arrived, several neighbors were already milling around the Smart house, and others were combing the neighborhood, leaving shoe marks, clothing fibers and fingerprints in their wake. Securing the crime scene is a problem in a lot of cases, says Lanning, the retired FBI supervisor. In the still-unsolved JonBenet Ramsey case, police were highly criticized for lax handling of the crime scene in the early hours. Says Lanning: “All [investigators] can do is deal with the reality you’re dealt.” In Elizabeth Smart’s case, the sad reality is that investigators haven’t been dealt much of a hand at all.

53 posted on 08/05/2002 12:56:56 PM PDT by Bella
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Heard this on KSL last night and haven't seen it posted yet:

Ricci denies any involvement. But several members of law enforcement tell Eyewitness News they're sure he's the man, and it's just a matter of time before they prove it.
54 posted on 08/05/2002 1:17:12 PM PDT by The people have spoken
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To: brigette
The rattlesnake bite causing a ransom kidnapping to go bad while they walked through the rough terrain to a waiting vehicle, it is a slim chance, put possile since snakes are abundant in Utah.

Wouldn't that be strange if something like that did happen. It would be bad enough to get kidnapped but then to get bit by a snake, all in the same day.
Too bad the perps didn't get bit.

55 posted on 08/05/2002 1:20:09 PM PDT by Pistacio
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To: Neenah; All
Smarts refusing to give up hope
By Pat Reavy
Deseret News staff writer      On the two-month anniversary of Elizabeth Smart's kidnapping, family members said Monday they were still holding out hope.
      "I can't imagine any girl who has been prayed for more than Elizabeth in the world," said Ed Smart, Elizabeth's father.
      In the early morning hours of June 5, a man with a gun kidnapped 14-year-old Elizabeth from her Federal Heights bedroom. Her sister, Mary Katherine Smart, 9, pretended to be asleep while the abductor took her sister. She is the only witness to the crime.
      Smart's abduction is just one of a series of kidnappings this summer. Samantha Runnion, Erica Pratt, Casey Williamson, Tamara Brooks and Jacqueline Marris were all taken by strangers. Runnion and Williamson were found dead, Pratt escaped, and Brooks and Marris were freed after police fatally shot their abductor.
      Unlike the other kidnappings, Smart's disappearance remains unsolved. Ed Smart said Monday that he was still hopeful Elizabeth would be reunited with her family. The rash of girls' abductions has raised the public's awareness, he said.
      "The united effort is bringing children back," Smart said. "That same awareness will bring Elizabeth back."       Looking at the group of reporters and TV cameras that had gathered Monday, Ed Smart spoke directly to Elizabeth, telling her to not give up hope.
      Throughout the course of the investigation, former Smart family handyman Richard Ricci has remained the main focus of police attention. Ricci has been charged with theft, burglary and bank robbery since Elizabeth Smart disappeared, but investigators have not linked him to the kidnapping.
      Ricci has denied having any involvement with the abduction, but police are questioning his alibi.
      The family, meanwhile, continues its weekly searches for Elizabeth. A search was held over the weekend on Big Mountain in Summit County. Searchers planned to return to the same area next weekend to search the front and back side of East Canyon, said David Smart, Elizabeth's uncle.       Weekend searches were also conducted in Logan. No signs of Elizabeth were found.

deseretnews

56 posted on 08/05/2002 1:29:22 PM PDT by Pistacio
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To: spore-gasm; The people have spoken; All
Hmm, I missed the news last night. Here is the article from ksl.com.

Monday, August 5th, it will be two months since 14-year-old Elizabeth Smart disappeared. And so far, there's been no sign of Elizabeth, and no arrests.

It's a situation that is especially frustrating when you consider during the two months, at least two other young girls were kidnapped, and in both cases there is a suspect arrested and behind bars.

Crime Specialist Karen Scullin takes a look at the progression of the case over the last 60 days.

What happened to Elizabeth and why? It's a question Ed and Lois Smart have been living with for two months as they search for their daughter, and as police try to firm up a case against the man they believe is responsible.

On June 5th, in the middle of the night, police say the impossible happened. A man crept into the Smart's Federal Heights home and kidnapped 14-year-old Elizabeth Smart.

Thousands volunteered to search as police worked day and night to find answers.

But it wasn't until June 24th, two and a half weeks after the kidnapping, that police announced a former Smart family handyman, Richard Ricci, had moved to the top of the list of potential suspects.

Chief Rick Dinse/Salt Lake City Police Dept./June 24: "HE HAD SPENT A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME IN THE HOUSE AND WAS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE HOUSE."

Since that time, police have been building a case against Ricci.

Through theft and burglary charges filed on July 11th, we learned Ricci had allegedly stole from the Smart family before, and that he allegedly crept into another Federal Heights home in the middle of the night, walked into a bedroom where someone was sleeping, and stole jewelry.

Then, just six days later, federal bank robbery charges were filed against Ricci and two others.

The charges paint Ricci as a very violent man who threatened employees at a Sandy bank with a gun and screamed orders at them.

If found guilty, both the burglary charges and the bank robbery charges could have Ricci spending life in prison for being a habitual criminal.

Despite the charges, though,he has not been charged with kidnapping.

Ricci denies any involvement. But several members of law enforcement tell Eyewitness News they're sure he's the man, and it's just a matter of time before they prove it.

The Smart family continues to hold out hope Elizabeth will be safely returned to them, and they say they are confident the police investigation is moving forward.

58 posted on 08/05/2002 1:43:26 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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This TV station says it a little different re: Ricci:

"2 Months And Still No Elizabeth

Aug. 5, 2002 2:13 pm
KUTV TV
Almost everyday, since June 5th, Elizabeth's father has been on the front line in the search for his daughter. It was early in the morning two months ago that an armed man took Elizabeth from her bedroom and managed to slip away undetected.

Except for Elizabeth's younger sister Mary Katherine, who saw the kidnapper, but out of fear didn't tell her parents until two hours later. Mary Katherine gave a general description of the suspect and just recently Ed and Lois Smart revealed that she did recognize the man's voice.

Police say Richard Ricci, who did fix-up work around the smart home, is at the top of their suspect list. A grand jury looked at evidence in the case, but Ricci has only been charged with burglarizing the smart home months before the kidnapping. Ricci claims he had nothing to do with Elizabeth's disappearance.

At a news briefing this morning, the family handed out new flyers that emphasize a 25-thousand dollar reward information to help solve the case, and a 250-thousand dollar reward for her safe return.
Elizabeth's high profile case has brought a national awareness to kidnappings, and that awareness, might, in fact have played a role in the safe return of some recent kidnapping victims. Just this weekend, a little girl in Sacramento was safely returned to her parents after being kidnapped from a playground. A girl in Philadelphia managed to escape from her kidnappers by chewing through duct tape, and two teenage girls in Southern California were saved by police possibly moments before they were about to be killed by their kidnappers.

The Smart family continues to organize searches across the state, and vows to stay in the public's eye until they know what happened to Elizabeth.

A spokesman for the Salt Lake City Police told KUTV a lot of things point to Richard Ricci, but detectives continue to follow all leads. If you'd like a copy of the new Elizabeth smart poster, you can get one by [going to the URL below.]

http://kutv.com/related/StoryFolder/story_325947365_html/index_html
59 posted on 08/05/2002 2:31:27 PM PDT by hergus
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I found this article about Remington at KUTV. I don't remember seeing it, sorry if this has already been posted:

"Ricci's friend Remington pleads innocent to bank robbery Thursday

August 01, 2002
KUTV TV
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) A friend of the handyman police have named as a potential suspect in the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping pleaded innocent on Thursday to federal bank robbery charges.

John Russell Remington, 44, of Sandy appeared before U.S. District Magistrate Judge Ronald Boyce to enter his plea to three felony charges relating to the Nov. 2, 2001, robbery of the Far West bank in Sandy.

He is accused along with Richard Albert Ricci, 48, and Douglas Rex Young, 51, both of Salt Lake City.
Charging documents allege Ricci, the handyman being investigated in the Smart case, was the gunman in the robbery where $1,713 was stolen.

Remington's trial is scheduled for Sept. 23. He remains in federal custody.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Mark Vincent said he hoped to include Ricci and Young in the trial. ``We charged them together, we´d like to try them together,´´ Vincent said.

Ricci is being held in the Utah State Prison. On Wednesday, he pleaded innocent to state charges of theft and burglary. One of the theft charges alleges he stole items from the Smart home in April 2001.

Ricci and Young worked for Remington in 2001 as handymen in the Smarts' Salt Lake City neighborhood. All have long criminal histories and spent prison time together.

Under the federal charges, all three men face possible sentences of up to 10 years in federal prison for being felons in possession of firearms. The bank robbery charges carry a penalty of up to 25 years in prison. An accusation of brandishing a weapon in commission of the crime carries a mandatory sentence of seven years that would be tacked onto any other sentence."

http://kutv.com/utah/AP/APTV/State/UT/n/UT--MissingGirl-Remin-en/news_html
60 posted on 08/05/2002 2:37:01 PM PDT by hergus
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