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To: Between the Lines
But by your own words in another post ( "IMHO a happy and moral life includes children, which implies settling down by 30 or so,") you do not become moral until you have ceased your premarital activities.

I don't know how you derive that. I believe in living morally. I think moral living includes various forms of love and sex other than in wedlock. I happen to believe, however, that one should have children in wedlock, and generally be monogamous in wedlock. This does not in any way imply that I think one should be immoral before wedlock, merely that I think its moral to have sex out of wedlock.

Second, how can people who have not been taught morals know what morals are?

It won't help you to learn from a misinformed teacher. I am trying to lead you to the light.

Life's truths are valid in any age regardless of feminism or promiscuous sex. If we ignore life's truths we only condemn ourselves to learn them all over again, the hard way.

I dispute that. Behavior which may have been forced upon us when pregnancy was unpreventable and syphilis uncurable is not necessarily moral or desirable.

Don't tell me that premarital sex is moral or that there are no consequences.

I honestly don't mean to get personal or to be insulting, so I'll try to phrase this as delicately as I can. Can't you entertain the possibility that the way you raised your kids screwed them up? The most obvious problem is your boy, and not only is he screwed up but he's managed to affect the lives of several others. It also remains to be seen how well adjusted your daughters are, too. It might be that they could have had much more enjoyable, rewarding lives, and it may be that already, or 10 years from now, they wish they'd had other attitudes. It might be that the lot of them would have turned out a lot better if you'd been less uptight. If that's so (and I don't know how we could know for sure short of running the tape again), wouldn't you concede your attitudes are immoral and mine moral?

35 posted on 07/31/2002 8:02:20 AM PDT by Linda Liberty
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To: Linda Liberty
It won't help you to learn from a misinformed teacher. I am trying to lead you to the light.

And a misinformed teacher you are.

Behavior which may have been forced upon us when pregnancy was unpreventable and syphilis uncurable is not necessarily moral or desirable.

Pregnancy is still not preventable and AIDS and herpes incurable.

I honestly don't mean to get personal or to be insulting

You should have stopped with that sentence. Your presumption that I my uptight attitudes are screwing up my children now and in future scenarios is laughable and my children would think so too.

wouldn't you concede your attitudes are immoral and mine moral?

Your morally superior attitude is very funny considering your point of view. Here is where I refrain from making an innuendo of what type of woman truly moral people see you as being as others have done in this thread.

Are you a religious person? If so are you a UU?

40 posted on 07/31/2002 10:35:03 AM PDT by Between the Lines
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