[CARDINALRULES]

Yeah I know Joe won't be allowed in--but I still think he should be from some of what I have read about the scandal (been years and I can't remember the details--other than he wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer --and most likely couldn't read).

I disliked Fay, but I really hate Bugsy and what he has done to the game in the last few years.
He doesn't take all the blame but a large portion of the current problems could have been handled differently.

[BluesDuke]

Yeah I know Joe won't be allowed in--but I still think he should be from some of what I have read about the scandal (been years and I can't remember the details--other than he wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer --and most likely couldn't read).

The best book about the 1919 World Series scandal, Eight Men Out, remains in print. As does Baseball, Chicago Style. Very worth reading. It's much as I posited above: Jackson, more dumb than dishonest, cooked himself by having accepted (albeit somewhat reluctantly) both the idea of the fix and at least that first $5,000 envelope. He may not have been the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he at least understood a gambling or fixing payoff (the Black Sox were hardly the first baseball players of their day to get involved with fixing games, especially if the name Hal Chase rings a bell with you) when he saw one. And for this one, he paid with his baseball standing and the Hall of Fame enshrinement he will probably never earn. But if anyone could be called the true masterminds of the fix, it was, I repeat, shortstop Swede Risberg (the last of the Black Sox eight to die, incidentally) and first baseman Chick Gandil.